The GOOD album cover thread.

[Perdition's Light]

 

[Unfaithfully Metalhead]

No they're not.

yes, they are... to me and to many who grew up in those times... it was considered just metal or classic metal for it's time... as well as other bands like Purple etc. You may not consider it because its difficult for someone as young as you who didnt grow up then to see that... was it extreme metal? of course not.. and unfortunately it's by extreme metal standards that everyone seems to judge past and present bands..

Belligerent: Good call on Psalm 69, excellent cover.

Unfaithfully: AC/DC are the definitive Hard Rock band.

There is a big and major difference between Hard Rock bands like Bad Company, Foreigner, Aerosmith etc. and AC/DC... AC/DC were without a doubt "heavier" then all those bands especially for the 70's. The problem is that if you weren't as Heavy as Sabbath to the young generation presently then you weren't "metal". But if you compared AC/DC to the music of the times (Crosby/Stills/Nash, Frampton, Floyd, Skynyrd, Allman Brothers etc.) they were the "metal" of the time along with Sabbath, Purple etc. AC/DC had dark themes as well as the staples of rock (sex & drugs) of which all metal bands include in their lyrics in one way or another. They had the same elements as Sabbath music wise as well... Heavy Riffs, Satanic/Evil themes, etc. So AC/DC is metal for it's time just not as heavy as Sabbath much like we have bands nowadays in which some are heavier then others... Let's just say Sabbath were the Slayer of it's time and AC/DC it's Iron Maiden of it's time... Fast & flashy solos at breakneck speeds does not always constitute being metal... Also remember that down the line in 10 or 20 years some kids on a message board like this one will tell you that Bathory isn't Black Metal or Cannibal Corpse isn't Death Metal etc. It is now but it won't be to them when that time comes... This is where you and me fall...

I think Unfaithfully was being sarcastic about the AC/DC comment.

no, i wasn't.

 

[Einherjar86]

Oh.

 

[SouthernTrendkill]

I'm completely not into 90% of album covers. JMO most of them are just random "kewl" pictures and sure there's some symbolic meaning but it's not usually a very deep one. Maybe on vinyl the pictures would be more impressive but I've only had maybe 3 or 4 album covers in my life that made me look at it and go "oh, nice."

My faves are the ones with people (particularly the artist) on the cover. It's the only thing that really gives me a powerful impression and connects to the music. It sets the tone for where the music is coming from. I guess for me music is VERY person-based. So here are my favorites...

The only other album covers I have that I'd atually say I like are Burzum's, but that's metal.

edit: as for the old metal discussion, ya'll can believe whatever you want but I need AC/DC and ilk to be rock, because without them then what the hell is rock? If AC/DC is metal I'd have to call Rage Against The Machine metal and I'd have to consider if Led Zeppelin is metal... For me, those kinds of bands define "rock". AC/DC was definetly heavy but they were also blues-based in 100% of everything they did.

 

[Unfaithfully Metalhead]

edit: as for the old metal discussion, ya'll can believe whatever you want but I need AC/DC and ilk to be rock, because without them then what the hell is rock? If AC/DC is metal I'd have to call Rage Against The Machine metal and I'd have to consider if Led Zeppelin is metal... For me, those kinds of bands define "rock". AC/DC was definetly heavy but they were also blues-based in 100% of everything they did.

Then we should call Motorhead Rock music instead since they use the words "rock" alot and have alot of "rock" elements as well... like pentatonic scale usage, the word "rock" etc... AC/DC is a fine line between metal and rock and to me they are metal... perhaps for you guys you can call it hard rock with metal leanings or elements... but i grew up in their heyday and EVERY single AC/DC fan was a metal fan and not a hard rock fan per say or very few were and ALL in those days considered them metal.. not extreme metal but just metal... they sang metal anthems imo is what i call it...

 

[SouthernTrendkill]

Then we should call Motorhead Rock music instead since they use the words "rock" alot and have alot of "rock" elements as well... like pentatonic scale usage, the word "rock" etc... AC/DC is a fine line between metal and rock and to me they are metal... perhaps for you guys you can call it hard rock with metal leanings or elements... but i grew up in their heyday and EVERY single AC/DC fan was a metal fan and not a hard rock fan per say or very few were and ALL in those days considered them metal.. not extreme metal but just metal... they sang metal anthems imo is what i call it...

Yeah, I consider Motorhead rock as well.

 

[Satanstoenail]

Yeah, I consider Motorhead rock as well.

Same here. Motorhead were considered Thrash Metal for years, until the genres became more clearly defined. Just because AC/DC were considered metal back in the 70s doesn't mean that it's still applicable today, and I was there as well, so please don't pull the "you are young so you don't understand" card on me. People also called Kiss metal back then, does that still apply?

 

[Unfaithfully Metalhead]

Same here. Motorhead were considered Thrash Metal for years, until the genres became more clearly defined. Just because AC/DC were considered metal back in the 70s doesn't mean that it's still applicable today, and I was there as well, so please don't pull the "you are young so you don't understand" card on me. People also called Kiss metal back then, does that still apply?

I wouldn't call it defined... I would call it evolved... all music evolves or else it becomes very boring and dies out... But that doesn't make the original bands not metal to begin with... So sorry but i don't buy the ole Metal (or whatever genre) has outgrown their originators, innovators, forefathers (whatever you want to call them) so they are not metal (or whatever genre)anymore because the present form of the genre is heavier or different etc.

Obviously the "young card" was not aimed at ole folgies like you and me... but you have to admit that unless you live that era and how things were they cannot say for a fact how things were... like me... i cannot say anything about the 60's other then what i hear or see on footage or any other era...

And not many people (none of my metalhead friends did back then nor now) described KISS as metal back then imo other then the media because of KISS's image, especially Gene Simmons costume. To me they were always what their music suggested, Glam (perhaps hard) rock...

With AC/DC it wasn't just the media that called them Metal but all their fans at the time did... Every Maiden/Priest/Sabbath metal fan that i knew in those days were also AC/DC fans and never considered themselves hard rock fans and did consider them Metal... they had the image and their music imo were heavy enough... Heavy Riffs, Heavy solos (do not have to be a speed freak on lead guitar to be considered metal, Tony Iommi falls in this category as well about his leads), Heavy Image and themes etc... They were not like any other hard rock band (Led Zep, Foreigner,Aerosmith etc.)... Did they have blues influences? yes but so did Iommi as well as Jazz which he admits... Did they have rock influences? yes so did other "metal" bands of the era and they admit it as well... Metal is a genre of many different influences... that is what makes it unique imo to other genre's... it needs to evolve but we shouldn't forget the first wave nor reclassify them because without them Metal perhaps wouldn't be here today....

P.S. All this applies to Motorhead as well... they are Thrash to me with rock overtones... AC/DC is at the very least a Metal band with rock/blues overtones or a Hard Rock band with metal overtones (think the song Hell's Bell's and other songs)... What AC/DC, Alice Cooper, Quiet Riot, Twisted Sister etc. were all Metal bands but imo what their songs are classified Metal "Anthems"... just REGULAR metal bands... people need to stop comparing bands to Extreme Metal only... Someday years from now your favorite "metal" bands of today won't be considered "metal" by future generations and you'll be having this same debate with them... remember my words if you do...

Btw Satantoe, thanks for at least admitting AC/DC were considered metal in those days... regardless of your opinion about them now...

 

[razoredge]

OO... shodnail was there ! bahahahaha

seriously, I dont recall Kiss being called metal because I dont recall the term that early on. Possibly not in the early days of AC/DC either but around that time. Still thats around here, I have no idea what they were calling things in England or the urban areas at that time.

My feelings on this subject is just because music changed, metal in this example does not make bands that were metal bands no longer metal bands. Metal was more than just about the music, it was an attitude and perhaps a lifestyle of the youth in the early days. In essence hardrock became metal and you didnt even hear the term "hardrock" for quite a while. Today we have alot of youngsters that knowitall because it comes natural... trying to say the old metal bands were not really metal. I have even heard this regarding bands such as Maiden and Queensryche. Granted Queensryche moved away from full blown metal as they matured but they still started as a metal band and maintained elements of metal in their music. Point being people need to stop trying to rewrite history and deal with THE FACTS... and that is at one time metal bands still knew how to rock. Hardrock evolved into metal and many bands applied elements from "blues" and elements of "metal" and they.... rocked, but somewhere in there it became called metal because it fit the whole atmosphere of the thing. Abrasive distorted guitars, smashing crashing cymbols, pounding drums and raw vocals.... wow... sounds like hardrock

AC/DC, VanHalen, Scorpions, Kiss(yikes and fading) were all instrumental of the changing sound in the late 70's. They were the new guard as bands like Zep, Purple, Heep were comming to an end, falling apart, in limbo, or having identity crisis. These new bands were the sound of the times, the sound of the youth at that time and they started using the term "metal" regularly.

Its all rock anyhow, 3-5 people with guitars, basses, drums, maybe a keyboard and a screamer and they rock, either you love it or you dont

 

[XSASweet]

haha, sorry for going on topic

 

[SouthernTrendkill]

I know old dudes who consider Queen heavy metal. Say what you will but I'll never be able to honestly consider that stuff metal. I just think it has a completely different dynamic.

And when there comes a day when Pantera and Burzum and Disgorge can no longer be called metal... that'll be the happiest day of my life. A metal genre that has evolved beyond that must be a pretty amazing thing. I'm never going to be arguing with anybody "Hey, Pantera still counts, you weren't THERE, man." It's the exact same way with rock music. Some people choose to throw Jerry Lee Lewis and Bill Haley in with Led Zeppelin and Aerosmith, but most people make a distinction between what is called "Rockabilly" or "Rock N Roll" and what is called "Rock" or "Rock music". Just because those early innovators invented the term and inspired the future style, that doesn't change the fact that there is a serious divergence between the original "rock" sound and what "rock" later became; which is what it is considered to be today.

peace & love, ya'll.

 

[ramses]

I think those bands will always be metel. Remember.....about every 15-20 years, musical genres/styles get recycled. Just think of the fact that many gothic,death metal, and Black metal bands are very influenced by 80's new wave and Goth, and how they incorporate and infuse it into their songs. We've already had Death Metal go retro twice in the last 20 years, some of the newer DM bands take it, and do a 90-degree turn with it. And the first(1950's) rock bands....some country bands, have taken that sound, and then of course so have those "rockabilly" bands.

 

[Satanstoenail]

Good post Trendkill.

Unfaithfully & gayzoredge (see what I did there hur hur hurr): You guys are basically living in the past. Metal has evolved yes, and the music AC/DC play is what became known as Hard Rock, it's as simple as that. The music Black Sabbath made back then is what metal evolved from. Yes Sabbath had their blues parts as well, but it was the dark riffs that influenced generations of metalheads. AC/DC play blues based rock music, there is no dark heavy riffing there at all. The only example brought up so far of a dark AC/DC tune is Hell's Bells, and it's hardly comparable to Symptom of the Universe, War Pigs, or Into the Void. It's still very much a rock tune.

And as far as people not considering Bathory Black Metal in the future, it's possible I guess, but unlikely. Black Metal is now well and truly defined as a genre, and Bathory are hailed as one of the originators, much like Sabbath.

 

[SiMuLaCrUm]

Pink Floyd-Meddle. One of my favourite album arts. Supposedly it is an ear underwater...

 

[Einherjar86]

Amazing album. My favorite Floyd record.

 

[razoredge]

Ah, but you see gaytan-toecrud no one is living in the past, only accepting it. Sabbath was far from the only band that influenced metal and only those with current tunnel vision and fried ears would think so. I dont even remember Sabbath being called metal for years after their debut. The most important thing is that real music people are aware that trying to separate the bands at that time or further removing them today is all a moot point.

 

[Satanstoenail]

Ah, but you see gaytan-toecrud no one is living in the past, only accepting it.

You should have a go at accepting the present then.

Sabbath was far from the only band that influenced metal and only those with current tunnel vision and fried ears would think so.

So where is the line drawn? Queen and Kiss influenced metal in some way as well, so are they metal? Is Hendrix metal?

I dont even remember Sabbath being called metal for years after their debut.

Well of course not, the genre was completely undefined at that point.

The most important thing is that real music people are aware that trying to separate the bands at that time or further removing them today is all a moot point.

What the hell does this even mean? Real music people? Get your head out of your arse.

 

[Unfaithfully Metalhead]

I know old dudes who consider Queen heavy metal.

And most likely not metalheads and just rock fans or fans of something else that stereotype metal of those days by Freddy's high pitched voice and Brians sometimes heavy riffing ala Bohemian Rhapsody (parts of it)...

And when there comes a day when Pantera and Burzum and Disgorge can no longer be called metal... that'll be the happiest day of my life. A metal genre that has evolved beyond that must be a pretty amazing thing.

Burzum? I tkae it your not a BM fan? ... and if you are a BM fan then i can't see why you do not like Burzum...

I'm never going to be arguing with anybody "Hey, Pantera still counts, you weren't THERE, man."

Doesn't matter if you do not like a certain band... if they were metal then you should admit they were even if you hate them..

It's the exact same way with rock music. Some people choose to throw Jerry Lee Lewis and Bill Haley in with Led Zeppelin and Aerosmith, but most people make a distinction between what is called "Rockabilly" or "Rock N Roll" and what is called "Rock" or "Rock music". Just because those early innovators invented the term and inspired the future style, that doesn't change the fact that there is a serious divergence between the original "rock" sound and what "rock" later became; which is what it is considered to be today.

peace & love, ya'll.

Rock music is a very broad genre with several different sub-genres (hard rock, punk rock, rockabilly, classic rock, pschydelic rock, etc. and yes even metal of all kinds)... there are distinctions between the sub-genres but in the end they are all Rock... whether early rock or later rock... all ROCK...

Good post Trendkill.

Unfaithfully & gayzoredge (see what I did there hur hur hurr): You guys are basically living in the past. Metal has evolved yes, and the music AC/DC play is what became known as Hard Rock, it's as simple as that.

Not as simple as that... and like I said AC/DC were way beyond any Hard Rock band (led zep, foreigner, Grand Funk Railroad etc.) to be considered HR and not HM... they were/are Heavy enough to be a crossover band at the minimum... for those times...

The music Black Sabbath made back then is what metal evolved from. Yes Sabbath had their blues parts as well, but it was the dark riffs that influenced generations of metalheads. AC/DC play blues based rock music, there is no dark heavy riffing there at all. The only example brought up so far of a dark AC/DC tune is Hell's Bells, and it's hardly comparable to Symptom of the Universe, War Pigs, or Into the Void. It's still very much a rock tune.

Really the problem is what you define as "dark riffing". That is your own personal DEFINITION. I said Hell's Bells as a example but thats not to say there aren't others... Dirty Deed's main guitar riff is dark and heavy as well and i'm sure Razor or others can name other songs.. you say there is nothing comparable to the Sabbath tunes.. but the problem is nothing should be compared to any other bands because Heavy Metal from the late 60's to late 70's was a new genre still developing and each band having their own unique style/sound... and that is where AC/DC lies....they had their own unique chuck berry from hell Heavy Metal sound... back then there were no 1,000 clones of Band A or Band B like today... and like i said every single AC/DC fan before the popularity of extreme metal was a Metalhead.. everyone of them..

Like Razor said, were not living in the past, we just accept it and honor them for being one of the first...

And as far as people not considering Bathory Black Metal in the future, it's possible I guess, but unlikely. Black Metal is now well and truly defined as a genre, and Bathory are hailed as one of the originators, much like Sabbath.

Venom were considered originators of BM by many and now they aren't... they did alot of what is commonplace in BM nowadays like Satanic themes, one word names, simplistic minimalist music etc.. etc.. But if Bathory or whomever you worship as metal today are not considered metal in the future just do me a favor and remember this thread... so perhaps we should just change the topic because we are not going to agree and neither one of us is going to change our minds..

 

[Unfaithfully Metalhead]

Well of course not, the genre was completely undefined at that point.

Why should it be defined? Why should anything be defined and not be free forming for artistic expression and independence... and if defined, then who defines it? You? me? the Pope? Bush? lol

 

[razoredge]

You should have a go at accepting the present then.



So where is the line drawn? Queen and Kiss influenced metal in some way as well, so are they metal? Is Hendrix metal?



Well of course not, the genre was completely undefined at that point.



What the hell does this even mean? Real music people? Get your head out of your arse.

So what is it Im supposed to accept ? rewriting history ? Young metal heads that were into the scene during the time of AC/DC were banging their heads to AC/DC, had nothing to do with me, nor yours and others attempt to rewrite history

I have never said Queen nor Kiss was metal. The best bet is for people to stop trying to place some hard "line". When you go back that far or through the life cycle of many of those bands you can find songs of many styles from bands. So there is no doubt most all of them did some full blown headbangers. In case you forgot metal has been all about headbanging, you can find examples of this in early Zep, Heep, Purple and others, try accepting that. Somewhere in here its been misinterpreted that in order to be metal it had to "be dark" or had to be "thrashy" and thats just bullshit, ever heard of power metal ? or progressive metal ? how about commercial metal/pop metal. Christ Maiden was not really that dark, they were head pounding head banging. It aint all about black, death or thrash metal they are but 3 applications. It aint all about referencing "the devil" or killing something. Total bullshit. Then further documented proof of your incorrect train of thought is NWOBHM... so please explain to me why it was a "new wave" and not a first wave ? More proof, look at the songs from the 70's covered by metal bands that have been clearly on the other side of the fuzzy line, they knew where it all came from

Yep, Hendrix may very well have written the first head banger, Purple Haze, was he metal? of course not, he was fairly diverse in his writting and the term metal was not yet applied. Same with Zep, very diverse yet you can find songs and definantly say that one is the sound that became heavy metal.

Here we have one example from STK trying to say bands that were clearly heavy metal and years after the fuzzy line had been clearly crossed were not metal, because he doesnt like them, that is just silly. Examples of people trying to do this can be found all the time.

The wheel is no longer chipped out of stone and less rarely formed out of wood, this does not mean that those that were are no longer wheels

So ya, real music people dont have these issues, nor do they try to rewrite the history of music. So do you got your head out of your butt yet or do I need to further explain?

oh great selective deleter of posts that dont agree with his personal taste yet doesnt fail to express displeasure of his own....