the natural disaster

[neph]

Originally posted by Strangelight
Ok, well what about a band you enjoy and the ones in the band that dont write the music are the dickhead rockstars? Why do people tolerate that? why why why????

Nobody tolerates it. But lots of times people don't know who actually writes the songs.
It's hard to distinguish arrogance from self-defence. Sometimes fans can be really nerve-wrecking and bands just are pissed off. I completely understand when they react badly when girls try to tear them down or whatever.
Arrogance is the worst kind of thing when someone REALLY feels superior to others. Those people can fuck off. Nobody is better than any other person.
And the fact that there are permanent allusions to Vinny - I only met him once for an interview, during which he was bored and after that fall asleep, but I talked to Danny and Les anyway. After the show he was nice, friendly, and talked a lot.
I have no idea why some people always refer to him, it's not my business anyway, but when you look at his brothers, can he really be this bad? Genetically, he can't

 

[Mariner]

Originally posted by Strangelight
I'm not really interested in what dickhead rockstars have to offer. I'm bothered about all that stuff nowadays. I feel guilty that I used to like some stuff from Momentary Lapse Of Reason (sorry Roger). Yous probably think I'm a nobhead now and wont buy my albums hhehehehehe, irony eh?

hehe, you know Ilike Sorrow.... but that's the best song on it! But we can't consider this one as Pink Floyd, can we?

 

[Mariner]

OK, back to the subject.
1. 'bout signatures: ok, it's just a signature, but! I am quite happy with the signatures. because when I put on that very CD I've got to think back to the moments we shared that time!
2. 'bout dickheads: pe Slayer, don't know (who are they ) I will take another example, 2 years ago I had the possibility to meet Max Cavalera. I thought he was an arrogant type, because off all the rumours with the split, and the stories 'bout his stephson Dana, what keeps me starting thinking what an asshole this one has to be... until I met him on that very moment: I never met someone that easy! Even easier then Dunc! He react like don't treat me as a rockstar, I'm just a person who loves to write music and share it with people. Now, that's the attitude! I noticed this too with Danny!

 

[Lenore]

Originally posted by moody
i don't mind. whoever can come and play a CD to me. if i like it fine, if i don't too bad. knowing that the drummer's nephew is a nazi won't prevent me to enjoy the music if it's good. but the point is that i'm probably not buying them CDs

Arghh , it's something i really couldn't handle - For me its very important to know who i listen to , and the music can be awesome , if the guy has wrong ideas , no way i give the bastard me money and 1 damn second of me time and attention.
Plus , i would be dead ashamed if i was still doing anyway.
It happened to me a few time to find out some music i enjoyed were actually nazi bastards , and it felt sooo bad , like my ears were polluted or something.... Now i'm tryin as much as i can checking first before buying something...

 

[without]

systhem of a down..
they are racist.. and they hate turks
as a turk maybe I shouldn't listen them but I do, they do great songs :s

well at least I don't buy their cd

 

[without]

I'm ashamed

 

[Ivo]

Originally posted by without


systhem of a down..
they are racist.. and they hate turks
as a turk maybe I shouldn't listen them but I do, they do great songs :s

well at least I don't buy their cd

soad probably hate turkey coz they're armenians and do you study in history about the holocaust?
and Serj is a great singer - maybe one of the best male vocs on the planet - truely emotional!! (Chop Suey)

 

[moody]

Originally posted by without
systhem of a down..they are racist..

i doubt they hate turkish people, but i can understand the fact that they hate a country's government when this one had a genocide going on in their country.

 

[without]

Originally posted by moody
i doubt they hate turkish people, but i can understand the fact that they hate a country's government when this one had a genocide going on in their country.

they do

 

[without]

Originally posted by Ivo
soad probably hate turkey coz they're armenians and do you study in history about the holocaust?
and Serj is a great singer - maybe one of the best male vocs on the planet - truely emotional!! (Chop Suey)

yes they are armenians and they hate turkey because of the reason you said...
(wich is not true !!! )

 

[sol83]

Well it's natural to be pissed off with a certain government when it doesn't recognise the genoside of some hundred thousand people. Of course they told you otherwise at school...... Anyway, I can talk about politics all day long and trust me I have many arguments to make but this is obviously not the place to do so. And at the end of the day, the music is what matters not the nationalities and similar stuff. If a turkish band comes out and I like them, I'll buy their stuf....

 

[Ivo]

Originally posted by without

(wich is not true !!! )

not true?
as far as i know there were 2 million armenians killed...

yes, history has it's misterious ways, but you can't deny this...
probably you'll say that nazi's didn't kill the jews in the holocaust?

 

[miranda B]

Originally posted by Strangelight
Youre right there but it goes both ways. Some people in bands judge the fans (who they dont know) by thinking they are above them

People who think their better than others suck big time

 

[Mariner]

And what about the Greece against Turkey thing? eh?
It are not the people hating eachother, just the kind of politics in that particulary country.
@without: have you ever thought about the fact that Turkey isn't allowed (so far) in the European Union and other countries are?!
You know, the turkish policy sucks... and religion is a reason for it (and don't say now I hate muslims, that's bullshit)

 

[without]

Originally posted by Ivo
not true?
as far as i know there were 2 million armenians killed...

yes, history has it's misterious ways, but you can't deny this...
probably you'll say that nazi's didn't kill the jews in the holocaust?

1) there is different stories, some says that they are killed, some says that they are died (cause they've been sent to another city wich is very far and most of them died in teh way (cause they help the enniem of ottoman empire) ) some say that they didn't died or been killed ..
we can all speak but anyway there is anything that we can prove..
but if it was a genocide, if they were killed because they were armenians, also the armenians in istanbul and the other cities
had been killed .am I rigth? But as we all know nobody hurst the other armenians who lives in the empire..

2)I won't say nazi's kill the jews,that's nothing to do with that subject (imo).
But I can ask are jews still hate germans? is that a reason to hate.

3)I also wanna add that this thing (genocide or not) happened during a "war".. As far as I know during the war people DÝE...

4)don't forget they were not turk soldiers, but ottoman soldiers..

5) I don't know what you think but I just wanna say that here in turkey we live with armenians togather, study in the same schools, share the same places.. and they don't even care about the past.we live in peace and I don't understand why some politicians from other countries dicuss about OUR past and OUR relations with armenians.

(sorry for my english mistakes :s, it's too hard for me to write so long and please don't think I'm a nationalist or something I just wanted to share what I know and I think..)

 

[without]

Originally posted by Mariner
And what about the Greece against Turkey thing? eh?
It are not the people hating eachother, just the kind of politics in that particulary country.
@without: have you ever thought about the fact that Turkey isn't allowed (so far) in the European Union and other countries are?!
You know, the turkish policy sucks... and religion is a reason for it (and don't say now I hate muslims, that's bullshit)

Greece politicians used to be against turkey (and turk politicians were against greece) but as far as I know we don't have any problem now..
but you're rigth the peoples are not hating eachother, every time I speak with a grek first thing we talk about is how stupid are our politicians

I don't think about that EU problem anymore cause if I were EU I wouldn't let turkey get in (unexpected answer uh? haha)
more then the religion .. turkey is poor, people is not good educated, there is a big problem of unemployment
+ we're very crowded (~70 million people),
policy sux, politic sux, economy sux, education sux, etc etc...
and.. I don't know what other turks in the forum think about that but.. we don't really have too much place in europe, most of the country is placed in asia and only a little party is in europe..


I don't see religion as a problem..
we're secular anyway...

But why you said that? what's the relations with armenian problem?

 

[Don Corleone]

Originally posted by Ivo
not true?
as far as i know there were 2 million armenians killed...

yes, history has it's misterious ways, but you can't deny this...
probably you'll say that nazi's didn't kill the jews in the holocaust?

OK...OK...i knew one day that this was going to come up...and, well, what can i say, i am ready:


i've done quite a bit of research on this topic. without summed it up perfectly, but i have a few things to add...

 

[Don Corleone]

Originally posted by without


systhem of a down..
they are racist.. and they hate turks
as a turk maybe I shouldn't listen them but I do, they do great songs :s

well at least I don't buy their cd

no they are not racists, imo. and they dont hate us at all, i think. even though they call us "politically lying unholy cowardly killers" in their song called "P.L.U.C.K." i dont think they have anything against the turkish nation. they are just a politically active band (ive checked their site many times and they are involved with many other things too) and there is also the economical side to being active: you get recognition...which means higher album sales.

 

[Don Corleone]

Originally posted by Ivo
soad probably hate turkey coz they're armenians and do you study in history about the holocaust?
and Serj is a great singer - maybe one of the best male vocs on the planet - truely emotional!! (Chop Suey)

yes, we do study history about the "holocaust." and i've done a bit of research myself...more of a research with impartial resources...

serj is one of my fave vocalists. great, indeed.

 

[Don Corleone]

Originally posted by sol83
Well it's natural to be pissed off with a certain government when it doesn't recognise the genoside of some hundred thousand people. Of course they told you otherwise at school...... Anyway, I can talk about politics all day long and trust me I have many arguments to make but this is obviously not the place to do so. And at the end of the day, the music is what matters not the nationalities and similar stuff. If a turkish band comes out and I like them, I'll buy their stuf....

same here. i have actually bought those three SOAD albums...