The News Thread

[TechnicalBarbarity]

The non-mystical parts of the Bible are actually considered relatively reliable sources of history. Obviously biased, but more detailed and comprehensive than a lot of the alternatives for the time. And Israel/Judah was an independent state for at least hundreds of years.

There is no country in existence than can be said to be definitively settled by its current inhabitants. Only a massive wuwuz would suggest otherwise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prehistoric_Armenia

... thank you for linking me to a wikipedia page that says just that. Every name for every region, mountain and river there is an ancient Armenian(aka Hay) name. I guess all those historian must be "massive wuwuz's"

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Ok take this fucking stupid armenia discussion to pms or a fucking Armenia thread

blame our neighborhood autistic cunt. And what the fuck is a pms?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

... thank you for linking me to a wikipedia page that says just that. Every name for every region, mountain and river there is an ancient Armenian(aka Hay) name. I guess all those historian must be "massive wuwuz's"

You realize you literally cited a mythological date nearly 2000 years earlier prior to Armenia's existence in the historical record, right?

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Im guessing you have never heard of Hayk(who the country of Hayastan is named after btw) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayk or Urartu? What about the Areni 1 Cave Complex which is where the they found the worlds first winery and first shoe?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Areni-1_cave

But yes, im getting sick and tired of holding your hand. "HEY LOOK AT MY WIKIPEDIA ARTICLES, BUT YOUR WIKIPEDIA ARTICLES ARE WRONG"

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Hayk the Great (Armenian: Հայկ), Armenian pronunciation: [hajk], or The Great Hayk, also known as Hayk Nahapet (Հայկ Նահապետ, Armenian pronunciation: [hajk nahapɛt], Hayk the "head of family" or patriarch[1]), is the legendary patriarch and founder of the Armenian nation.

the legendary patriarch and founder of the Armenian nation

legendary

A ruler attested to exist by a historian 2000 years after the fact.

WE WUZ THE FIRST WHITE PEOPLE

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

sad, now your sour showing that you dont even know how historical records work. You are truly helpless.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

sad, now your sour showing that you dont even know how historical records work. You are truly helpless.

Yes. Historical records work by one guy inventing a book of history single-handedly and taking everything he says as absolute gospel.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Now you are questioning historians? You do realize there is no written history in detail if we got that back? In almost ANY culture, right? And yes history WAS and IS written by historians you nitwit. That's how it works. There are ancient Armenian writings in a bunch of areas that go way back, including that one link of the Areni Cave complex that you just so happened to ignore.

Also this ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayasa-Azzi
two Armenian kingdoms, one named after HAYK ... thousands of years before that "fake historian"(fake, amirite?) you are talking about even walked this planet.

You also ignored this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kura–Araxes_culture
2400 B.C every historic name is Armenian

 

[HamburgerBoy]

The similarity of the name Hayasa to the endonym of the Armenians, Hayk or Hay and the Armenian name for Armenia, Hayastan has prompted the suggestion that the Hayasa-Azzi confereration was involved in the Armenian ethnogenesis. The term Hayastan bears resemblance to the ancient Mesopotamian god Haya (ha-ià) and another western deity called Ebla Hayya, related to the god Ea (Enki or Enkil in Sumerian, Ea in Akkadian and Babylonian).[15] Thus, the Great Soviet Encyclopedia of 1962 posited that the Armenians derive from a migration of Hayasa into Shupria in the 12th century BC.[dubious – discuss][16] This is open to objection due to the possibility of a mere coincidental similarity between the two names[17] and the lack of geographic overlap, although Hayasa (the region) became known as Lesser Armenia (Pokr Hayastan in modern Armenian) in coming centuries.

The mentioning of the name Armenian can only be securely dated to the 6th century BC with the Orontid kings and very little is known specifically about the people of Azzi-Hayasa per se.[18] The most recent edition of Encyclopædia Britannica does not include any articles on Hayasa or Azzi-Hayasa likely due to the paucity of historical documentation about this kingdom's people. Britannica's article on the Armenians confirms that they were descendents of a branch of the Indo-European peoples but makes no assertion that they formed any portion of the population of Azzi-Hayasa.[19]

Nevertheless, a minority of historians theorize that after the Phrygian invasion of Hittites, the hypothetically named Armeno-Phrygians would have settled in Hayasa-Azzi, and merged with the local people, who were possibly already spread within the western regions of Urartu.[20]

In other words, largely speculation because there's so little to go on, and because so many tribes likely came and went in those days.

 

[CiG]

What does everybody in here think of the Justice Democrats?

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

HBB: FUCK THE HISTORY THAT IS WRITTEN BY HISTORIANS

Oh and btw, i come form this part of Yerevan(aka one of the oldest inhabited cities on this planet, but fuck that, what do the historians know, right?)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shengavit_Settlement. Again, those are all historic Armenian names and it is in the center of the historic capital of Yerevan. But yeah, lets just ignore those dates, BECAUSE THEY WERE WRITTEN BY HISTORIANS RIGHT? PSHHHH HISTORIANS? WHAT HISTORIANS? Lulz

Again, i have annihilated you in every single thing you have dared to talk about today and youre still trying to find escape routes ... but they're just not working for you

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

What does everybody in here think of the Justice Democrats?

What in the world is a justice democrat?

 

[HamburgerBoy]

What are historic Armenian names? Are you saying there were signs/plaques/etc in the Armenian language found at those sites?

 

[CiG]

What in the world is a justice democrat?

http://justicedemocrats.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_Democrats

Generally speaking, it's a movement to get corporate money out of politics and is especially focused on reforming the Democratic Party.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

What are historic Armenian names? Are you saying there were signs/plaques/etc in the Armenian language found at those sites?

SMH, helpless. No more free education for you. Im not giving you history lessons anymore unless you start sending money to my paypal account.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

http://justicedemocrats.com/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justice_Democrats

Generally speaking, it's a movement to get corporate money out of politics and is especially focused on reforming the Democratic Party.

i read cenk uygur and X'd that shit out. That guy is a complete joke.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

SMH, helpless. No more free education for you. Im not giving you history lessons anymore unless you start sending money to my paypal account.

If I discover ancient ruins in California and name them the Amerifat Burger Bald Eagle ruins, is it proof that Anglo-Saxon settlers founded civilization in California?

 

[CiG]

i read cenk uygur and X'd that shit out. That guy is a complete joke.

Not a fan of the guy either but in relation to this movement he has made some very valid points imo.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Not a fan of the guy either but in relation to this movement he has made some very valid points imo.

I dont bother listening to what morons like him have to say about anything. Why dont you inform me a little.

@HamburgerBoy BUT FUCK THE HISTORIANS BRO!

 

[CiG]

I dont bother listening to what morons like him have to say about anything. Why dont you inform me a little.

Well I was more referring to their platform. I don't agree with everything but it's easily an improvement over the current corporatist-progressive Democratic Party.

WE WILL:

PASS A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT TO PUT AN END TO WASHINGTON CORRUPTION AND BRING ABOUT ELECTION REFORM.

Super PACs should be banned, private donations to politicians and campaigns should be banned, and a clean public financing system should be implemented to end the takeover of our government by corporations and billionaires. Americans deserve free and fair elections — free from the corruption of big money donors. The Supreme Court has effectively legalized bribery. It’s time for an Article 5 convention to take our Democracy back from the brink of Oligarchy. Prior to passing this amendment, all Justice Democrats should reject billionaire and corporate donations when running for office to show the American people we don’t just talk the talk, we walk the walk. Ranked choice voting should also be implemented to make smaller parties a viable option. All provisions of the Voting Rights Act should be reinstated, and gerrymandering for partisan gain should be eliminated.

RE-REGULATE WALL STREET AND HOLD WHITE-COLLAR CRIMINALS ACCOUNTABLE.

Despite engaging in systemic fraud and causing a subprime mortgage meltdown and the great recession, you can count the people from Wall Street who are in prison for their crimes on one hand. It’s time to prosecute the criminals, bring back Glass-Steagall, and re-regulate Wall Street to prevent another crash. Prison is not just for the poor and the middle class anymore. We will have cops on Wall Street, not just Main Street.

DEFEND FREE SPEECH AND EXPRESSION.

We support the right to express unpopular opinions without fear of censorship. We support free speech on college campuses. The marketplace of ideas should be embraced. A vibrant debate is healthy for democracy, and we should cherish our first amendment. We also support net neutrality for a free and open internet.

END UNNECESSARY WARS AND NATION BUILDING.

The United States maintains 800 military bases worldwide at a cost of $100 billion a year, this is money that can be spent at home creating jobs, rebuilding infrastructure, and investing in the future of the people. The disastrous war in Iraq cost trillions, the war in Afghanistan is 15 years in with no end in sight, and we’re currently bombing 7 different countries. We spend more on our military than the next 8 countries combined. Despite countless lives lost and destroyed, terrorism has only gotten worse. It’s time to end the wars and the perverse monetary-incentive structure that makes politicians flippant about sending young men and women to die. Unilateral U.S. military force should only be used as a last resort to defend the nation. The current budget could be cut drastically if we used our department of defense for what it was intended — defending us, instead of waging interventionist wars.

END THE FAILED WAR ON DRUGS.

The goal is legalization, taxation, and regulation. Prohibition only makes drug cartels more powerful, increases crime, and makes drugs more dangerous due to lack of enforced safety standards. What you put in your body is your own business, and your right. A free society should allow individuals to make their own choices about their bodies. While most users are recreational and moderate, rehabilitation and treatment should be provided for people struggling with addiction. Additionally, those serving time for non-violent drug offenses should be pardoned.

END CONSTITUTIONAL OVERREACHES.

Ban the NSA from bulk data-collection and warrantless spying. Shut down Guantanamo Bay and all extrajudicial prisons. Prosecute torturers and those who violated the Geneva Conventions, Nuremberg Tribunal, International law and US law. Return habeas corpus and due process. Pardon whistleblowers like Edward Snowden. We shouldn’t be leading from behind on human rights, we must be the home of liberty. We should practice the values we preach.

Sorry for the stream of edits. Anyway, these are the positions I especially agree with myself.