The pics thread

[Zephyrus]

There's nothing wrong with alcohol. It's our society that demonizes and illegalizes it, to the point that alcohol becomes a symbol of adolescent rebellion, and is thus used irresponsibly. So long as you treat youths like children by taking away their juicebox, just so they'll act like children when they manage to steal it back.

 

[mutantllama]

Similar with pot.

 

[Orion Crystal Ice]

No, I believe we've gone now where it's from the extreme of being completely demonized, to the extreme of, if you don't do it you're bizarre (some of the initial responses to V5's post are recent examples) and you should do it to the max. Neither is a healthy mindset.

 

[cookiecutter]

You are making what we are all saying far more extreme than it actually is.

 

[Zephyrus]

I'm talking about formal society, as in the legal system and government-sponsored education.

 

[Dak]

No.. It depends on what the issue is, but I wasn't implying that, no. Trust me, I know a huge amount about shyness. In some ways I would say I'm one of the most "socially inept" people around. I was just sort of trying to stick up for people like that, I don't think we should be pressured to change or whatnot, it happens to me a lot and it pisses me off.

I will agree with this one. I got pressured to drink to drink a lot once I joined the Marine Corp and refused purely to "not give in to peer pressure". It was rediculous how much emphasis was put on it. If someone doesn't want to drink it's really shouldn't be a big deal. But like with anything else, when the majority is doing something, they always feel the need to bring abstainers over to their side, like it bothers them. THAT is fucking weak.

Edit: I did eventually start drinking when it was just me and a friend hangin out, as opposed to a party scene surrounded by a drunken mob all screaming "DO IT!"

 

[zabu of nΩd]

No.. It depends on what the issue is, but I wasn't implying that, no. Trust me, I know a huge amount about shyness. In some ways I would say I'm one of the most "socially inept" people around. I was just sort of trying to stick up for people like that, I don't think we should be pressured to change or whatnot, it happens to me a lot and it pisses me off.

Yeah, it is annoying to have extroverts force their mindset upon you, and I've dealt with it a lot too. It's just that at this point in my life I've had the chance to carve out plenty of space for myself, and I've come to the conclusion that life is more interesting with a party or two every now and then.

Plus, I would kinda like to actually meet a girl at some point, and it'll be pretty hard to do that if I'm just hanging around by myself or with my 3-4 geeky friends all the time.

 

[Dak]

Ugh, don't tell me you're one of those people who thinks psychological issues are all just "in your head".

Pssst, some are.

 

[Orion Crystal Ice]

I don't think you can compare the public education system to "real life" society in that way, kids only absorb their 'book smarts' and such from it, most of which is backwards anyway, other than that, 'real life' society holds far and away the most sway of influence, from my experience.

 

[Zephyrus]

I guess society wasn't the right word (I was distinguishing it from "culture"). My argument is that it's the nature of youth to assert its newfound independence in opposition to older authority figures who run the government and schools. If alcohol is legalized then it no longer becomes deviant and rebellious to engage in drinking. Rather, it becomes a civilized thing to do, as it should.

 

[zabu of nΩd]

Pssst, some are.

Well yeah, but introversion isn't just like some misconception you wake up from one day, as he was basically portraying it.

 

[Orion Crystal Ice]

That is a truth, it's just that actual culture as you put it now is so large and encompassing and far-reaching that explaining typical youth behavior just isn't so cut and dry anymore.

 

[mutantllama]

needs moar pics

 

[Orion Crystal Ice]

Well yeah, but introversion isn't just like some misconception you wake up from one day, as he was basically portraying it.

I know. I would be the absolute last person on the planet to say so. I had thought I had made myself clear enough in saying that.

 

[Zephyrus]

That is a truth, it's just that actual culture as you put it now is so large and encompassing and far-reaching that explaining typical youth behavior just isn't so cut and dry anymore.

It's still a major reason why alcohol is abused by youths. If we raised our children, as they do in Europe, with alcohol as a legal and casual part of a meal, they will naturally respect it in adolescence.

 

[Dak]

Well yeah, but introversion isn't just like some misconception you wake up from one day, as he was basically portraying it.

I don't see why introversion should be considered a psychological problem, unless it is to the extreme (ie: causing panic attacks, etc.)

Our current society has glamourized extreme extroverts and labeled the quiet ones as "wierd", when it has been my experience that most of the extreme extroverts are riding on the edge of emotional collapse all the time and choose that lifestyle/personality to cover up a lack of personal depth.

 

[mutantllama]

Damn you people. I posted the picture of epic boobs 2, and you are still debating!

 

[XSASweet]

Why is she talking to the boobs?

 

[Orion Crystal Ice]

It's still a major reason why alcohol is abused by youths. If we raised our children, as they do in Europe, with alcohol as a legal and casual part of a meal, they will naturally respect it in adolescence.

I don't know. I would like to think so and I used to but from most Europeans I've talked to it really doesn't seem like a whole other planet of behavior or anything. I usually just see it still being looked at as this "other", sort of "badass" thing overall, even if the abuse level is lower. The mindset is still irritating to behold, especially with something that should be treated more maturely and seriously.

I don't see why introversion should be considered a psychological problem, unless it is to the extreme (ie: causing panic attacks, etc.)

Our current society has glamourized extreme extroverts and labeled the quiet ones as "wierd", when it has been my experience that most of the extreme extroverts are riding on the edge of emotional collapse all the time and choose that lifestyle/personality to cover up a lack of personal depth.

This is 100000000000% true.

 

[zabu of nΩd]

I don't see why introversion should be considered a psychological problem, unless it is to the extreme (ie: causing panic attacks, etc.)

It's not necessarily a "problem", but it's still something that's probably innate to your genetics / body chemistry. That's all I'm saying.

The entire reason I brought this up is because OCI suggested that drinking is nothing more than "the thing to do", and that the solution is simply to stop worrying - both of which I consider inaccurate statements. Please do not read further into this and create an extra debate where there really isn't one.