The secret to Tool's "Lateralus"

[NihilistNothing]

explain this to me... if lateralus is a puzzlebox that requires listening to the full album in an alternate track order to get any meaning out of it, why does Tool play the album's songs live?

 

[Ben_Bids_You_Farewell]

Hey, if Tool are good enough for Opeth, by default they are good enough for all of us

Seriously though, they do make great music and one of the main reasons I listen to them is because of Maynards voice (no,I'm not some geek who worships the guy,just think he's got great vocal range). I do think the lyrics are very creative and make you think, but in some respects I think you should take them with a grain of salt, as Maynard in particular is known for his smart-arseness (not a word i know) Hey,he even says "Over thinking,over analysing separates the body from the mind" so you never know,that could be his way of saying "cummon all you fanboys,get a life" who knows :Spin:

Also, i find it quite funny that everyone here is arguing over whether Lateralus is a great album or not.The theme of Lateralus is communication,so by discussing it in any form basicaly means your doing what Maynard wants you to do anyway

Oh,and to all those that say all Tool fans are dickheads, I'm pretty sure EVERY band has some dickhead fans. So shut up.

The End.

 

[KielbasaSausage]

Hey, if Tool are good enough for Opeth, by default they are good enough for all of us

... im not even gonna respond to that one.

one of the main reasons I listen to them is because of Maynards voice (no,I'm not some geek who worships the guy,just think he's got great vocal range).

Dio has a much better vocal range.

The theme of Lateralus is communication,so by discussing it in any form basicaly means your doing what Maynard wants you to do anyway

I definately would not give all credit to maynard. also, im pretty sure that St. Anger has been discussed even more on this board than tool has. Im not so sure what that is supposed to mean, though.

 

[anonymousnick2001]

Tool are funny.

 

[PeeWee1473]

I actually kinda just started trying to get into Tool. I've had the Lateralus CD sitting around in the glovebox of my car for a long time because someone left it in there so I decided to give it a listen after I decided they're not coming back for it. Anyway, so far I'm rather intrigued. Very good drumwork, serviceable guitar and basswork. I really think they would be amazing if the guitarist and bassist were better. They're still talented though, and they make up for skill with some pretty neat ideas. Overall, the sound is different than most bands and this makes me interested. Maynard's vocals are alright, not anything spectacular. I'll have to immerse myself in it more and see if I get any more clickage.

Anyway, as to this whole 'aliens are hibernating in the Lateralus CD and upon creating the right combination of Betty Crocker Mashed Potatoes they will be unleashed upon an unsuspecting world armed with rolling pins and rubber bands I don't really think that most of that is true. As mentioned before, some of the tracks already make sense the way they are arranged and changing that order makes it sound 'off.' But I did think it was interesting to note, because of all the mentioning of the number 13, that the new Perfect Circle CD is called "The 13th Step." My friend actually thinks that the 13th step is suicide. There are 12 tracks on the CD, which he tells me become more dreary as the cd progresses. At track 12, the 'protagonist,' if you will, appears to be at his wit's end. After the Cd completes it's 12 steps(tracks), the 13th step is taking your own life. He supported this theory by pointing out that on the back of the CD, there are numbers running down the arm of a woman. 1 begins at about the shoulder and the 13 is placed on the wrist. Of course, a popular method of suicide is to slash the wrists. Seems credible, although I haven't actually heard the CD myself. Comments?

 

[MFJ]

I love tool.

 

[ElectricWiz]

danny carey doesnt say that the album is not arranged in that format... but in the magazine section, im not sure which one, but he talks about the writing of lateralus. In that, he says it was funny how it worked out because the way they recorded everything was how it came out on the album. There is no stupid secret order, even though it would be sweet if there was. I remember seeing on the tool website about an email written to blair about the secret order. He posted some ridiculously vague response from which nothing can be drawn from. I just dont see this fucking sequence. However, the vocals in the beginning seem to be 1,1,2,3,5,8.. which is cool.

And yes, tool is the shit.

Yeah....his response was vague. THAT is when I wrote hime, and literally said, "Dude, I'm dying to know if this is true....and you just put up the usual vague bullshit". He wrote me back saying that because he didn't want complaints about copyright on the essay....he tried to answer in the vague affirmative. He then confirmed to me that the secret order was real. Serious as hell here.

 

[Alchemist]

Can we start talking about Opeth again?

 

[ElectricWiz]

But I did think it was interesting to note, because of all the mentioning of the number 13, that the new Perfect Circle CD is called "The 13th Step." My friend actually thinks that the 13th step is suicide. There are 12 tracks on the CD, which he tells me become more dreary as the cd progresses. At track 12, the 'protagonist,' if you will, appears to be at his wit's end. After the Cd completes it's 12 steps(tracks), the 13th step is taking your own life. He supported this theory by pointing out that on the back of the CD, there are numbers running down the arm of a woman. 1 begins at about the shoulder and the 13 is placed on the wrist. Of course, a popular method of suicide is to slash the wrists. Seems credible, although I haven't actually heard the CD myself. Comments?[/QUOTE]



This is an interesting thought....but I would point out that the last line of that album, the very last lyric is, "I choose to live..."

 

[shadedlife]

that's really cool. yummmy

 

[PeeWee1473]

But I did think it was interesting to note, because of all the mentioning of the number 13, that the new Perfect Circle CD is called "The 13th Step." My friend actually thinks that the 13th step is suicide. There are 12 tracks on the CD, which he tells me become more dreary as the cd progresses. At track 12, the 'protagonist,' if you will, appears to be at his wit's end. After the Cd completes it's 12 steps(tracks), the 13th step is taking your own life. He supported this theory by pointing out that on the back of the CD, there are numbers running down the arm of a woman. 1 begins at about the shoulder and the 13 is placed on the wrist. Of course, a popular method of suicide is to slash the wrists. Seems credible, although I haven't actually heard the CD myself. Comments?

This is an interesting thought....but I would point out that the last line of that album, the very last lyric is, "I choose to live..."

Hm, I didn't know that. Well then, perhaps it is something else. The mystery continues....maybe step 13 is living or finding a reason to live.

 

[KielbasaSausage]

13th step is suicide.

i wouldnt mind having all their uber fans doing just that.

Serious as hell here.

you make it seem like a wonder of the world.

 

[anonymousnick2001]

A Perfect Circle are much better than Tool.


That is, unless Maynard's pretentiousness has corrupted this band as well. I'm not as familiar with the new album.

 

[BurningSky]

a perfect circle arent better than tool, they are very different. and to someones comment early about tools bassist not being good, thats bullshit. listen to the bass, its amazing, the guitar is more atmospheric when its not a riff. it actually suits their music very well because i think they try to put you in a different place, different atmosphere, when you listen to it. im not trying to sound like a super fan fag, im just saying, theyre music is atmospheric, just listen to the drums for christ's sake.

 

[Scourge of Malice]

im really starting to hate all music fans..

 

[KielbasaSausage]

all music fans = all people.

 

[foulwing]

that first post is fucking fanboy bullshit

 

[Abou]

that first post is fucking fanboy bullshit

And you are a nescient fuck tard.

 

[anonymousnick2001]

Woohoo! Flame war!

 

[taken by the reaper]

man i remember when this war first started...lol we definitely have to keep bumping this one up...its so much fun