The Sellout Thread
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Towedwart
I will have a apple
I'm not buying that people claim sell out just because they don't like the new direction a band goes in... It does work out that way sometimes but there are many more times it doesn't apply...
It is a B.S. term that is very tough to prove but it's also tough to say that Van Halen, Yes and Rainbow didn't decided to write music for mass consumption wich is what I thought the term sell out means.... The new people were a good reason for the change in style but were they selected and brought in specifically for these directional changes....
Korlich
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BloodSword
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Agreed!! a perfect example is U2. There first couple of albums were pretty good. "Joshua Tree" being their best. It was all downhill after that release. Just trying to please the "mainstream" A major musical drop-off in songwriting and musical integrity. But, at the end of the day, I never thought they were that good of a band to begin with.
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Kenneth R.
Cináed
Kiss is clearly a sellout example. They're about shows. not music. It has more in common with the circus, honestly.
wth about dissing U2....
wth about dissing U2....
Sadguru
In my dream...
1. To me, it means that the band creates music in order to get somewhere else. Music is no longer the end, but the mean to get from point A to point B.
2. It's a difficult thing to evaluate. The one band I know for sure is Mayhem. here's why: http://www.roadrun.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=51276
I recall Gene saying he was trying to sell as much Kiss shit as possible, to milk the band for all it's worth.
To the point, here's something I found from an interview on UGO.com:
UGO: Throughout the years, you've been called a marketing genius. How do you deal with the notion that once you start making a lot of money from what you're good at, you've somehow sold out? Among the fan community, that seems to be a prevailing thought often projected at certain bands once they make it big.
GENE: You're damn right I sell out, every night. Who wants empty seats? What's so glorious about being a failure and poor? You've got all the credibility and you can't pay your rent. By in large, people will always be on the sidelines and some people have a problem with success, but that only means that they're not. Successful people don't begrudge somebody else for being successful. In fact, they celebrate it. Only losers talk about words like credibility. Credibility to whom? Not to my banker.
UGO: It should be credibility to yourself, really.
all_sins_undone
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lol i dont think gene will ever have a problem "paying the rent". if more money equates to success and musical credibility, then he must be one shallow fucker
Towedwart
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Korlich
So Judah fucked it up
^ I have to disagree strongly. Opeth hasnt sold out, they havent given up growling to sell more records etc.
A bands transition form harder/heavier material to soft/mellower music doesn't necessarily make them sellouts in my mind.
As bands & band members grow older it's only natural to change.
My assumption is that most bands want to change or progress. Some happen to create radio friendly hits & then become unfairly labeled.
As bands & band members grow older it's only natural to change.
My assumption is that most bands want to change or progress. Some happen to create radio friendly hits & then become unfairly labeled.
fizz6207
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Considering that a large amount of the general public enjoys "radio hits" then it would be hardly surprising if the band themself enjoy the radio hits they write, which wouldnt make them sellouts, just not groundbreaking.
Korlich
So Judah fucked it up
your right but as i stated earlier bands that have a less accessible sound and quickly switch to mainstream are sellouts.
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