The what's going on in Thrash thread

[redfly]

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/g...uctive-behavior-during-1990s-it-fking-sucked/

I know it's not just musos 'waking up', or having 'woken up' after years and years of drug abuse to realise how lucky they were, how bad things got etc etc, normal people do to. But it never ceases to surprise me how people like Gary talk about the past. Days and nights of drug induced behaviour, constant drug and alcohol binges, and gigs that went down in history as being the prime time for many of the bands. Turn the tides 20-30 years and the same people are getting clean, concentrating more of their jobs, using new technology, you'd think the 'clean' gigs of today would be head and shoulders above what the drug addled bands offered. Live gigs do seem to get more praise than albums these days but we still seem to look back at the days when the performers (and many of the crowd) were nowhere near 100% game fit as the gigs to live up to.

It's probably why those old shows were so cool! I thought it was age. or injury. But it's just the lack of hard drugs!
I'm always a little shocked when I read something like this. Fucking meth is bad shit. I just don't think of professional people doing that kind of shit. ( I know that's not the case). Especially smoking it. And more especially people who are old enough to know better.

 

[Slammed]

Well he must have been a real asshole to a lot of people! I think maybe he said something about the wait? I don't really remember lol. I know their health is free and I've heard people bashing it on Blabber beacuse of the wait. I have no idea if it's true or not though. It's Blabber so I'm sure a lot of people bash it just because it's socialism to them so it's automatically bad.

Hmm interesting. Let me know if you notice any differences in people's attitudes now. In theory it could make things more peaceful. In theory.

No doubt like our public system the Brit's system isn't free from issue. We do have waiting lists on most things and some people fall through the cracks and wait longer than others. I've no doubt the Brits system works the same if it's free. I know when Paul first started bagging out the free system he did sound like an entitled dick, but at the same time he's always been that so it wasn't like he was just grumpy about not getting an op. I do remember one of his first interviews about it he claimed he's lived with it for years and that he refused to let the free health system operate because the surgeons were not up to the job, but at the same time he couldn't afford to pay for private. That sounded like a typical Paul type comment, full of shit but not full of substance. Then he complained about covid filling the hospitals, and I don't think I've heard much since.

Actually the funny thing is two forums I know of removed political/climate/covid type threads to give them time to read the legislation and how it effected the forums. People bitched and moaned, pretend lawyers gave advice based on thought not fact, and then cried that it wasn't only the threads removed that could cause issue. After 2 weeks it was pretty much proven just how much shit spilled out of those thread into others because insults were down, abuse was down and it all came back to people not getting butthurt by posts about politics etc. That turned people on to complaints about snowflakes and Karens. It was hilarious to see all the self confessed non snowflakes explain what snowflakes really were, yet never looking in the mirror. At the moment we are back to letting people comment in politics etc but moderators are watching closely to ensure abuse, insults and defamatory comments about members and people in general are silenced.

 

[Slammed]

It's probably why those old shows were so cool! I thought it was age. or injury. But it's just the lack of hard drugs!
I'm always a little shocked when I read something like this. Fucking meth is bad shit. I just don't think of professional people doing that kind of shit. ( I know that's not the case). Especially smoking it. And more especially people who are old enough to know better.

I'm almost like an ex-smoker walking into a room of smokers and asking why they can't see what they are doing to themselves. I look back and don't regret all those gigs. I don't hate other bands for being drugged out and putting on shows, but I also think what everyone does now with no drug influence should be so much better. But is it? I just don't know.

I can't believe how well some people function on meth. I know I used to believe I could do all sorts of things well when I was drunk, but hindsight tells me I was also full of shit. Yet some of these musos were so fucking high on shit that should have killed them yet they still functioned so well. I don't believe people function better on drugs, that's the words of an addict trying to convince people why they use, but how much better could things have been if they weren't fucked up? Impossible question I know but it's interesting to wonder.

 

[redfly]

No doubt like our public system the Brit's system isn't free from issue. We do have waiting lists on most things and some people fall through the cracks and wait longer than others. I've no doubt the Brits system works the same if it's free. I know when Paul first started bagging out the free system he did sound like an entitled dick, but at the same time he's always been that so it wasn't like he was just grumpy about not getting an op. I do remember one of his first interviews about it he claimed he's lived with it for years and that he refused to let the free health system operate because the surgeons were not up to the job, but at the same time he couldn't afford to pay for private. That sounded like a typical Paul type comment, full of shit but not full of substance. Then he complained about covid filling the hospitals, and I don't think I've heard much since.

Actually the funny thing is two forums I know of removed political/climate/covid type threads to give them time to read the legislation and how it effected the forums. People bitched and moaned, pretend lawyers gave advice based on thought not fact, and then cried that it wasn't only the threads removed that could cause issue. After 2 weeks it was pretty much proven just how much shit spilled out of those thread into others because insults were down, abuse was down and it all came back to people not getting butthurt by posts about politics etc. That turned people on to complaints about snowflakes and Karens. It was hilarious to see all the self confessed non snowflakes explain what snowflakes really were, yet never looking in the mirror. At the moment we are back to letting people comment in politics etc but moderators are watching closely to ensure abuse, insults and defamatory comments about members and people in general are silenced.

Okay sounds like Karma may indeed be a factor. And you should never rag on the surgeons. That's worse than fucking with the cook. Some people are just grumpy negative dbags. But damn those legs need fixing!

Lol, that's quite a story! Sigh. We really are out of control aren't we?

 

[redfly]

I'm almost like an ex-smoker walking into a room of smokers and asking why they can't see what they are doing to themselves. I look back and don't regret all those gigs. I don't hate other bands for being drugged out and putting on shows, but I also think what everyone does now with no drug influence should be so much better. But is it? I just don't know.

I can't believe how well some people function on meth. I know I used to believe I could do all sorts of things well when I was drunk, but hindsight tells me I was also full of shit. Yet some of these musos were so fucking high on shit that should have killed them yet they still functioned so well. I don't believe people function better on drugs, that's the words of an addict trying to convince people why they use, but how much better could things have been if they weren't fucked up? Impossible question I know but it's interesting to wonder.

Yeah I believe so too. But there are some glaring exceptions. The Doors, Pink Floyd, even Hendrix. And there's some others. I'm not sure that stuff would have come about without drugs giving them ideas they otherwise wouldn't have had. And it also killed many of them. Addiction and abuse is bad.

Edit: I'm not sure about Floyd...but I'm almost sure

 

[Slammed]

Okay sounds like Karma may indeed be a factor. And you should never rag on the surgeons. That's worse than fucking with the cook. Some people are just grumpy negative dbags. But damn those legs need fixing!

Lol, that's quite a story! Sigh. We really are out of control aren't we?

Oh if I was him I'd really hate to get a surgeon who was a post Paul era Maiden fan, he'd go in for knee surgery and come out with no limbs at all. "Well Mr. Di'Anno I fixed your knee problem!!"

Yes WE are the worse offenders
The thing that makes me laugh though is that as soon as someone drops the name Karen, Troll, or Snowflake you can pretty much assume they are talking about themselves but don't realise it.

 

[Slammed]

Yeah I believe so too. But there are some glaring exceptions. The Doors, Pink Floyd, even Hendrix. And there's some others. I'm not sure that stuff would have come about without drugs giving them ideas they otherwise wouldn't have had. And it also killed many of them. Addiction and abuse is bad.

Edit: I'm not sure about Floyd...but I'm almost sure

That's probably true and just like we'll never know how good Woodstock or the like would have been without the weed, we'll never know if those guys could write the stuff they did at the height of their drug life in a clean state. Even a band like Pink Floyd while still releasing classic music sober, have not released the same kind of music they did when they were high as kites.

I think it's a fair bet that at least one or two members of Floyd (or all of them) partook in something a bit heavier than whacky tobacky! Syd Barret was basically kicked out of Floyd because of his drugs (like Mustaine he wouldn't share the good shit ). Syd's choice though was psychedelic stuff, which many people of the time claimed were not dangerous.

 

[TempleOfBlood]

The number of bands/musicians ruined by substances far outweighs any hypothetical benefits. The comparison isn't even close.

Even a lot of cancer deaths and things later not attributed to substances likely were caused by them, because when you see the risk factors things like alcohol abuse are right at the top.

Great artists don't need substances to be creative. Besides, it's not just about creativity anyway, it's also about productivity, which substances negatively impact.

 

[Slammed]

https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/j...-metal-allegiances-long-island-concert-video/

Bush has still got it. Time to let Bush have a go at Anthrax since Scott and Charlie no longer seem to want to.

 

[redfly]

Oh if I was him I'd really hate to get a surgeon who was a post Paul era Maiden fan, he'd go in for knee surgery and come out with no limbs at all. "Well Mr. Di'Anno I fixed your knee problem!!"

Yes WE are the worse offenders
The thing that makes me laugh though is that as soon as someone drops the name Karen, Troll, or Snowflake you can pretty much assume they are talking about themselves but don't realise it.

They'd have to take his mouth too!

Hahaha. So true!

 

[Slammed]

They'd have to take his mouth too!

That would be a marathon surgery removing something that big!

 

[redfly]

That's probably true and just like we'll never know how good Woodstock or the like would have been without the weed, we'll never know if those guys could write the stuff they did at the height of their drug life in a clean state. Even a band like Pink Floyd while still releasing classic music sober, have not released the same kind of music they did when they were high as kites.

I think it's a fair bet that at least one or two members of Floyd (or all of them) partook in something a bit heavier than whacky tobacky! Syd Barret was basically kicked out of Floyd because of his drugs (like Mustaine he wouldn't share the good shit ). Syd's choice though was psychedelic stuff, which many people of the time claimed were not dangerous.

Yeah those psychedelics were a big part of that counterculture movement. Leary and others. Fast forward 50 years and they are starting to use those as PTSD medicine. The world is a funny place!
All those hard drugs and alcohol abuse still probably takes more of them down.

 

[redfly]

The number of bands/musicians ruined by substances far outweighs any hypothetical benefits. The comparison isn't even close.

Even a lot of cancer deaths and things later not attributed to substances likely were caused by them, because when you see the risk factors things like alcohol abuse are right at the top.

Great artists don't need substances to be creative. Besides, it's not just about creativity anyway, it's also about productivity, which substances negatively impact.

MMM. Not so sure about that. None of this music existed before people started getting on lots of drugs. All those early jazz and blues guys were high as hell. Not to mention Elvis and later The Beetles. Hell it's been in the title from the very beginning. Sex, drugs and rock n roll. There have been ample studies showing certain drugs expand creativity. The health factor though is undisputed.
Kinda seems like a lot of bands start sucking when they get sober.

 

[Slammed]

Yeah those psychedelics were a big part of that counterculture movement. Leary and others. Fast forward 50 years and they are starting to use those as PTSD medicine. The world is a funny place!
All those hard drugs and alcohol abuse still probably takes more of them down.

The weirdest heavy drug thing I remember happening was my cousin getting the realisation that he was approaching 27. He was a huge fan of the 60's scene, the music, the drugs, everything. Some of the gigs we did he was so fucked up that it was scary to see someone you know that bad. The drugs of metal, kind of like what Gary talked about but more fitting a band not making much money, didn't phase him, he played on stage and it was only when he was really fucked up that his music suffered. But then put him on LSD and he wrote/played/jammed the most amazingly weird shit that I wished we could have recorded it all. Then at 25 he started to worry about the 27 club because it really started to register how many of the bands he listened to lost members at that age. Then at 26 he just went cold turkey on the hard shit because he became shit scared that he was going to join the club. 20 plus years later and he still drinks and I think might smoke a bit of weed but he's still alive and playing music. I still don't know if his concern was warranted but thankfully we'll never know.

 

[Slammed]

Kinda seems like a lot of bands start sucking when they get sober.

I didn't want to say that because in reality it is true

 

[redfly]

The weirdest heavy drug thing I remember happening was my cousin getting the realisation that he was approaching 27. He was a huge fan of the 60's scene, the music, the drugs, everything. Some of the gigs we did he was so fucked up that it was scary to see someone you know that bad. The drugs of metal, kind of like what Gary talked about but more fitting a band not making much money, didn't phase him, he played on stage and it was only when he was really fucked up that his music suffered. But then put him on LSD and he wrote/played/jammed the most amazingly weird shit that I wished we could have recorded it all. Then at 25 he started to worry about the 27 club because it really started to register how many of the bands he listened to lost members at that age. Then at 26 he just went cold turkey on the hard shit because he became shit scared that he was going to join the club. 20 plus years later and he still drinks and I think might smoke a bit of weed but he's still alive and playing music. I still don't know if his concern was warranted but thankfully we'll never know.

Yeah it is scary when someone you know all of a sudden turns into someone completely different.
That 27 club man. Very cool that he was able to get off the hard stuff! You should put some of that music on youtube!

 

[redfly]

I didn't want to say that because in reality it is true

It is! I'm not proud of it, but it is what it is.
By the way I'm not talking about things like crack and heroin.

 

[Slammed]

Yeah it is scary when someone you know all of a sudden turns into someone completely different.
That 27 club man. Very cool that he was able to get off the hard stuff! You should put some of that music on youtube!

Yeah I've seen too many mates take the wrong road. It's good when they make it back, but hard when they don't. We are all taught about peer pressure when we are kids but when drugs, especially hard drugs are involved the first hit might be peer pressure, but more often than not any subsequent hits are less about pressure of others and more about the hold the drug has.

The silly thing is I never thought of the 27 club. I'm older than him and didn't get anywhere near into the drug scene like he did, but I never thought about joining the club, yet he took it so seriously that it changed his life. I remember at the time we were sitting in the Hard Rock Cafe in Melbourne, underneath a picture of Janis Joplin sitting on her Porsche, a picture that's been in thousands of mags, and he just looked up and said, "I don't want to end up like her." We'd been binging a bit on Janis at the time, but where I was enjoying her music and life stories, his mind was telling him something completely different.

It's not my music to put up, I worked on different aspects of his stuff like album covers and production etc but he did all the music. I tried to convince him to use YT 20 years ago as an advertising platform but he didn't want it to happen and as far as I know still doesn't.

 

[Slammed]

It is! I'm not proud of it, but it is what it is.
By the way I'm not talking about things like crack and heroin.

The thing is for some people it's not the type of drug that dictates what happens. Mostly it's the real hard shit, but I've known guys who got so fucked up with weed alone that they are worse than some people on meth. Alcohol can be the same. Unfortunately some people are just worse than others.

 

[TempleOfBlood]

MMM. Not so sure about that. None of this music existed before people started getting on lots of drugs. All those early jazz and blues guys were high as hell. Not to mention Elvis and later The Beetles. Hell it's been in the title from the very beginning. Sex, drugs and rock n roll. There have been ample studies showing certain drugs expand creativity. The health factor though is undisputed.
Kinda seems like a lot of bands start sucking when they get sober.

Elvis and The Beatles didn't get on drugs until later in their careers when they were rich. Their music early on before that was great. Even then, Paul was the most sober Beatle and the best songwriter. The biggest druggie of that band was George, who was the worst songwriter. After the Beatles, Lennon became a heroin freak and his music was far worse than it was during his Beatles days.

How exactly does a scientific study measure creativity anyway? Yeah, that sounds really scientific and objective.