The what's going on in Thrash thread

[TempleOfBlood]

I was reading MA forum's take on the new Exdous this morning and I was reminded of the drug conversation. The so called fans on that forum love to praise the early Exodus stuff quoting that the new songs don't compare to songs from Bonded, or Pleasures, or even Fab Des. They go on about how Exodus/Gary can't write like that any more. The days they seem to like were the best times of metal, which is fine but they can't seem to get past those days, they want today's music to sound like stuff from the 80's.

In this instance (and there is a lot of other factors), it's the fans holding the music back as much as the drugs. People want Gary to write like he did when he and the band were off their heads and nothing they write today will compare. I know the fans aren't advocating to return to the days of drugs, but they do seem to be stuck firmly on the idea that todays music can not be as good as yesterdays music.

A lot of folks there DO advocate that people like Mustaine go back to hard drugs and have said so many times but even when they are given an excellent album like Endgame they don't appreciate it.

Some "fans" are just in it for the posturing/fashion/elitism and not the actual music.

 

[zerostatic]

Endgame was excellent? Lets not get crazy now.

I was reading MA forum's take on the new Exdous this morning and I was reminded of the drug conversation. The so called fans on that forum love to praise the early Exodus stuff quoting that the new songs don't compare to songs from Bonded, or Pleasures, or even Fab Des. They go on about how Exodus/Gary can't write like that any more. The days they seem to like were the best times of metal, which is fine but they can't seem to get past those days, they want today's music to sound like stuff from the 80's.

In this instance (and there is a lot of other factors), it's the fans holding the music back as much as the drugs. People want Gary to write like he did when he and the band were off their heads and nothing they write today will compare. I know the fans aren't advocating to return to the days of drugs, but they do seem to be stuck firmly on the idea that todays music can not be as good as yesterdays music.

I think a lot of the old thrash titans have become too self-indulgent and their recent albums have a lot of potential that is wasted by a lack of self-editing. For example, Bonded by Blood clocks in at about 40 minutes and never wears out its welcome. Exodus' Atrocity Exhibits have some songs with killer riffs that are ruined by song length and repetition. Thrash bands have no one to blame but themselves when they release an album with multiple songs that clock in at 8 + minutes.

 

[TempleOfBlood]

Editing is definitely a big issue, but no amount of editing would've made the last 5 Exodus albums as good as Endgame.

 

[zerostatic]

Tempo of the Damned is at least at the same level of quality as Endgame.

 

[redfly]

I reckon that if bands like Exodus hadn't grown in 40 years there would be more whinging and complaining than we currently have. I'm not sure too many people could have survived 40 years of hard drugs, but bands getting clean is a good thing. I'd much rather hear a band like Exodus come up with something new today, than continually writing/re-writing classic songs like Verbal Razors (for example) time and time again because they are stuck in a headspace that fans seem to think was the best ever.

Yeah same here. I want to hear growth. Unless it turns them into wimps. Then I move on

 

[redfly]

Happy Birthday Mr. Skolnick

Happy Birthday!

 

[redfly]

Editing is definitely a big issue, but no amount of editing would've made the last 5 Exodus albums as good as Endgame.

I'll take any Exodus album with Dukes over Endgame any day. Endgame is good. But it's tame.

 

[redfly]

Lol DW is back as Johnny Utah on the Lucid article. He actually praised (that guy) Dave Wight! So funny! What a tool.

 

[Slammed]

If I had to point to the single greatest flaw with their current sound, I'd say it is believing that you only need to be "heavy" and that melody isn't really important for Exodus.

If I had to point a single flaw in metal it's the whinging fucking fans whose first response is always negative.

 

[Slammed]

I'll take any Exodus album with Dukes over Endgame any day. Endgame is good. But it's tame.

Not that long ago I'd have disagreed. But those Dukes albums have grown on me in the last few years.

 

[Slammed]

Lol DW is back as Johnny Utah on the Lucid article. He actually praised (that guy) Dave Wight! So funny! What a tool.

I saw that. It's hilarious to think someone loves to play with themselves so much.

 

[redfly]

If I had to point a single flaw in metal it's the whinging fucking fans whose first response is always negative.

Seriously. If it's like the old stuff they are out of ideas. If it sounds new, it's not like the old stuff. People are so lame.

 

[redfly]

Not that long ago I'd have disagreed. But those Dukes albums have grown on me in the last few years.

Yeah I like them. One thing you can't say is that they lack energy. Or have bad composition.

 

[redfly]

I saw that. It's hilarious to think someone loves to play with themselves so much.

Hahahaha!

And now he's sticking up for Jr after going on Dee's Twitter and having a shit fit about him.

 

[Slammed]

Seriously. If it's like the old stuff they are out of ideas. If it sounds new, it's not like the old stuff. People are so lame.

And if Sneap produced it it sounds the same as everything else.

 

[Slammed]

Yeah I like them. One thing you can't say is that they lack energy. Or have bad composition.

Yeah the energy of them is amazing. There is a power on those albums that I'm not sure they could have found with Zetro. But it's also a power that shows the team of Exodus (all of them together) didn't just phone it in like many other bands seemed to.

 

[Slammed]

Hahahaha!

And now he's sticking up for Jr after going on Dee's Twitter and having a shit fit about him.

Damn that guy must type a thousand words a minute to hit all those sites with his BS.

 

[Slammed]

Speaking of BS....who's getting KK's album? It's out today!!

 

[redfly]

Yeah the energy of them is amazing. There is a power on those albums that I'm not sure they could have found with Zetro. But it's also a power that shows the team of Exodus (all of them together) didn't just phone it in like many other bands seemed to.

Yeah they sound really crushing when it's blasted. And you're right. Zetro has his thing and it has a lot of attitude, but I'm not sure he's had that power.

 

[redfly]

Speaking of BS....who's getting KK's album? It's out today!!

Oh damn I forgot!