Theocracy's computer/recording-esque question

Macs, in my opinion, are more or less, "designer computers." They're well made and look great, but are incredibly overpriced for what you get. Nowadays most professional grade software will be available on both mac and windows operating systems, so if price really isn't an issue, the only real distinction between the two is personal preference in the interface.

Also, you can install Mac OS on windows machines, and vice versa


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^ true for a lot of people. Not at all true for me, however. And also, Safari stinks.

But for a lot of people, all they ever see of their computer is the internet browser...maybe they should get a Chrome Book.
 
FYI, what sold me on Macs was the fact that my PC crashed all the time. My first Mac was a clamshell iBook (bought in 2000) that STILL WORKS and it very rarely crashed. Ditto with my work computer.

My previous work PC had to be restarted multiple times per day and actually caught on fire at one point... not sure what that was about, but my 2006 first-gen Intel Mac does everything I want it to and very rarely crashes. I've got the latest software and it runs great, so I haven't even even hit any walls on upgrades yet, even though the box is 5 years old.

I think personal experience has a lot to do with what platform a person prefers, which is why I don't think people who prefer Windows are dumb, and I would like to think that they offer me the same respect...
 
Mac crashes all the time. And all the industry standard graphics/video/music development tools run on Windows as well. Macs are very pretty, expensive paperweights.

Apple does the best it can to make you THINK they have the superior product. And sadly, they usually succeed.

Wow! Seriously? I've worked on Macs and Windoze computers for 15 years now, and I have have way more problems with Windows, no matter what config. Yes Macs are more expensive because of name, but they are also made better. Is like saying that a Mercedes and a Yugo will both get you across town. But which one does it better?
 
Usual forum etiquette is to put some indication that you edited your post - I could have sworn you didn't say that when I read your reply earlier! ;)

Great stuff, Ubuntu is a really nice distro and well supported, hope you enjoy it!

EDIT:

Isn't it such :). In Uni we used Java, which I liked and had self-taught myself before going to Uni. I did some dabbling in my own time with Ruby whilst in Uni and really enjoyed it. I resolved to get a job in it, and here I am, almost 4 months into my first job, very much enjoying it. It's got a great community and definitely has a future. If you're wanting to create some nifty websites then do check out the Ruby on Rails framework - it's a solid, maturing framework with all the elegance and fun of Ruby!

It's funny that you mention Ruby on Rails. My bro is working with that right now n' stuff. Funny... :loco:
 
PC and Mac architecture isn't really all that different these days, especially since Apple switched over to Intel processors. This is shown by the fact that OSX can now run perfectly(when modified) on pretty much any old PC. Intel even makes Apple motherboards now.

Windows has had some problems over the years (Vista) but it really quite stable and fast now, especially on Windows 7.

Software wise it is really a matter of preference. I don't really believe Macs are more secure, it is just that Windows holds a much larger market share, so hackers direct their efforts towards it. I sort of lost respect for Apple after their salesmen told my friend that "Macs cannot get viruses".

I wouldn't say Apple products are even better built, most of their stuff is assembled by Foxconn which is the real manufacturer of a mass amount of electronics. Apple has had numerous problems with their products over the years, but somehow manages to shield the public from them. Apple will not even repair products that are more than 3 (or so) years.

As for Linux, I always found it a hassle to get anything going well. It is really for elitists.
 
athensbum said:
I think personal experience has a lot to do with what platform a person prefers, which is why I don't think people who prefer Windows are dumb, and I would like to think that they offer me the same respect...
Gotta love a Mac vs PC debate - the one I started in another forum stuck at the top for over a week. I was less mature then, however, in believing that Macs were less superior to PCs. Whilst I use every possible opportunity to poke fun at Macs, I respect Mac users as I do PC users. Nowadays, considering they're very similar for all but serious/professional use (be it development, music production, erm...gaming..., etc) it's like choosing tea over coffee. Boils down to personal preference and what you feel suits you best.

Interestingly, as has been noted, Macs do crash. Mac users often say that is the badly written software, not the Mac OS itself, but the same excuse applies to Windows instabilities - any instabilities I've had with Windows in recent years have been due to poor drivers, buggy patches, etc.

Macs are really expensive though. That adds to their exclusivity, but means that I would prefer to build myself a decent PC over getting an Apple product that would cost double that and be less powerful. PCs bought from reputable brands, or constructed from quality hardware, are just as good quality as Macs. The fact Mac desktops and laptops are barely customisable is a rather limiting factor too.

JayArby said:
About Ruby...elegant??

Ruby allows the programmer to write code in fifteen confusingly different ways, so that a difference in style can result in complete unreadability. Then Ruby also replaces the elegant braces of C/C++/Java/etc. with clunky tags that look like variables...bleah...

Nothing can match the elegance of C.

Sorry, I know this is not supposed to be a programming forum, but I can't resist sticking up for good old C. :p
Every language has good and bad styles and forms that are specific to it. I'm sure one can write a C program that reads just as horribly (or far worse :p) than the same-functioning but also badly written Ruby program. In Ruby, if you're serious, there are forms and style guidelines that advise you what does and doesn't look good. But, the fact you have the freedom to work like you want isn't a bad thing, if used maturely.

I did enjoy C programming at Uni. In fact, C was the first language I learned, almost a decade ago now, so I'm not going to fault it :). But suffice to say that unless you need low-level access to the system, Ruby will most probably allow you to get your job done quicker, and more enjoyably. Furthermore, you don't hear about web application frameworks written in C. Don't say that Ruby on Rails counts because Ruby is written in C - that's not what I mean ;). Basically, I think that like Macs and PCs, both have their uses. I have used both at work in the last few days, in fact.

Btw, what are the "clunky tags that look like variables"? If you mean calling a function with no parentheses, it can be used to great effect. Things just flow in Ruby without needless brackets. I do use brackets a lot though, in keeping with the style guidelines that I personally find rather instinctive. Ruby is flexible :).
 
Personally, "Mac people" bug me, and "PC people" bug me. I've logged TONS of hours on both platforms, and I've had gazillions of crashes and problems on both. I prefer working on Macs because the workflow is faster for me, I'm used to the platform, and I just like it better. But it's just a matter of personal preference.

Shawn's right; I use an old (pre-Intel) G5. I've been wanting/needing to upgrade to a Mac Pro forever, because my mixes are pretty complex and the computer can't quite keep up, and because more and more software is only engineered to run on the Intel versions. But I can't afford it just yet. Hopefully one day! :)

Good luck!
 
I think personal experience has a lot to do with what platform a person prefers, which is why I don't think people who prefer Windows are dumb, and I would like to think that they offer me the same respect...

Woah! I hope you didn't think I was saying you were dumb! I don't think you're dumb! Well, I actually I don't even know you. :)
 
I think the reason PCs crash on people is because they have cheap PCs. I have a nice PC that I have owned many years and it runs beautifully. :/ What annoys me is all hype about what a superior product OSX is. It really is not.
 
What a civilised bunch of people we all are, getting along and respecting whatever personal preference anyone might have. That's how it should be :)

Also, Matt, your next post will be your 1000th post! Congrats in advance. Thought that might have been the highest post count here, but Ryan M has almost 1800 :eek:
 
Woah! I hope you didn't think I was saying you were dumb! I don't think you're dumb! Well, I actually I don't even know you. :)


Nope, not at all -- although I'm actually quite surprised by the number of people who DO argue that (mostly online, with people they don't know)! I always enjoy how relatively civilized this forum is. Must be because metal fans are smarter than your average person (who's generalizing now?? yup, that'd be me. But let's face it, we ARE smarter! :lol:).
 
Thought that might have been the highest post count here, but Ryan M has almost 1800

"Congratulations, Ryan M. You have unlocked the achievement 'Progressive Powerposter'."

(Hey! A computer thread isn't a computer thread with lame, nerdy, computer related jokes, now is it?;))