What do we mean by "groove" in thrash / death metal?

[JayKeeley]

I've seen this term used a lot when describing death metal drummers, but can you give me album examples?

Yesterday I was listening to Sepultura's Arise, and one song in particular really seemed to 'groove' along -- "Desperate Cry". Is this the sort of "groove" that people refer to when discussing drummers?

And if that's the case, would it be fair to say that Igor Cavelera has his groove down?

 

[KILL TULLY]

Well, when the music starts sounding like gay butsex, then its groovein'.

 

[Reign in Acai]

 

[KILL TULLY]

Hahaha this forum is so helpfull.

 

[JayKeeley]

Haha, and I thought this was an easy question!!!

*awaits Lurch and other death metal experts*

 

[Necromunchkin]

Groove in death metal are pretty much the heavier, plooding moments. when the guitars bass and drums are more evenly syncopated to a slower beat. Consider the song "Reek of Putrefaction" which begins with slow, ominious "groovy" moments, before the blasting takes off.

 

[jimbobhickville]

Desperate Cry is indeed an awesome song, but I doubt I'd ever describe Igor's drumming as grooving. The guy just does bass/snare/bass beats 90% of the time. A superbly mediocre drummer.

Then again, I can't think of any death metal I've heard that had any amount of groove to it. Maybe I just don't define groove the same way.

 

[Trylakos]

Im not sure if Im thinking the right "groovy" but Demigod's Slumber of Sullen Eyes is pretty groovy and awesome

 

[Necromunchkin]

Obituary were pretty much renouned for use of groove in their songs.

 

[lurch70]

hmm ... I use the term loosely ... but to me its a drummer that can get a fat beat stuck in my head ... kinda like a great riff ...

Igor, Lombardo, Tardy, even Sandoval ... all great at it ...

Blood Red Throne is great a this ... where the drums and guitar are almost playing the same thing ... creating this fat sound ... love that stuff.

 

[Conspicuously Absent]

groove to me is this thing that just makes me want to fucking headbang. It's a nice chugging beat and i'm just headbanging away. Usually with or strongly desiring a beer in hand.

 

[Krigloch the Furious]

im not sure I like groove, give me some examples.

 

[KILL TULLY]

Groove is when shit gets like chugchiggachugchug chug chiggachigchugga chug chug chigga chug bwooooooowwwwwdiggadwowwwwwwc chugga squeeeeeeeewwwwwweeeeeeeee

 

[Reign in Acai]

Yea but Ali's asking about drummers, not guitarists.

So it goes like this.

bbbbbbbppppbpppbp bpppb bppbppbpb bpo bpppppppp bpppp ooobppp bpppp ppppppppp boooooo BANG

 

[Demilich]

not death metal, but

 

[Claws of Perdition]

Yea but Ali's asking about drummers, not guitarists.

So it goes like this.

bbbbbbbppppbpppbp bpppb bppbppbpb bpo bpppppppp bpppp ooobppp bpppp ppppppppp boooooo BANG

You know i dont speak Spanish, in English please!

 

[Reign in Acai]

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Go the fuck home. I also like how if you openly say "yea i'm against immigration rights", people turn their heads and look at you like your the devil.

 

[Claws of Perdition]

Fighting for illegal immigrants rights... there is one very important word they missed fucking ILLEGAL!

 

[J.]

Groove is when shit gets like chugchiggachugchug chug chiggachigchugga chug chug chigga chug bwooooooowwwwwdiggadwowwwwwwc chugga squeeeeeeeewwwwwweeeeeeeee

so it's like a breakdown....???

 

[Claws of Perdition]

im clearly on a different level then you guys, thats a breakdown??