Which Amp is the Biggest Kick In The Nuts?
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guitarguru777
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I wouldnt go with a Stack. a single 4 x 12 cab will do just fine....
If your having a problem getting muddy at band volume heres a few ideas.
#1 Pull out some low end.
#2 Add some Mids instead of BOOSTING the volume.
#3 back off on the gain a bit at louder volumes.
Try those. If that doesnt help, try this.
I been using this trick for a while and it rocks. I got the idea from Andy Sneap the famous metal producer.
Grab a distortion pedal. Ibanez ts-9 perferrably, but any will really do. Turn the gain all the way down, Boost the output to about 75% of max, then do the same to the tone knob. What this does is pulls some of the lower mids that get really WOOFY when you turn the amp up. It also smooths out the tone and give you a nice signal going into the amp. Make sure you back off on the gain of the amp when you do this.
Give some of these a shot at your next rehersal and let me know how it turns out.
Da Fukn Guru
If your having a problem getting muddy at band volume heres a few ideas.
#1 Pull out some low end.
#2 Add some Mids instead of BOOSTING the volume.
#3 back off on the gain a bit at louder volumes.
Try those. If that doesnt help, try this.
I been using this trick for a while and it rocks. I got the idea from Andy Sneap the famous metal producer.
Grab a distortion pedal. Ibanez ts-9 perferrably, but any will really do. Turn the gain all the way down, Boost the output to about 75% of max, then do the same to the tone knob. What this does is pulls some of the lower mids that get really WOOFY when you turn the amp up. It also smooths out the tone and give you a nice signal going into the amp. Make sure you back off on the gain of the amp when you do this.
Give some of these a shot at your next rehersal and let me know how it turns out.
Da Fukn Guru
Progbass
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I don't really get why you should buy Triple Rectifier, when you could go cheaper and get Dual or even Single Rectifier(single has 50W and I think that would be just enough with 4x12 cab.) If you turn Triple Rectifier's volume knob even to the half way up, other players are gonna have hard time hearing themselves. But buy what you prefer is the best choice 
guitarguru777
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All 3 amps sounnd different and have tifferent options. If the triple give him the sound he wants and cant get it out of the dual or sinlg ehats reaspon enough right there. The triple isnt all about wattage. The reason the amp is so LOUD is so at stage volumes you get more headroom and more dynamics. It was really made to be a live amp. The single and dual are more versed for the studio Ledd wattage so it doesnt have to be as loud to sound good.
The triple recto sounds its best at stage volume. the Single and Dual sound best when at studio volume. 3 different animals 3 different tastes.
Da Fukn Guru
The triple recto sounds its best at stage volume. the Single and Dual sound best when at studio volume. 3 different animals 3 different tastes.
Da Fukn Guru
ptah knemu said:
I'm telling you, though, it's a waste of time. First of all, because a huge turbo-stack isn't that much louder than something smaller (as long as we're talking tube amps). Second of all, because if you're practicing so loud that people can't hear each other, then the band will never be tight enough to gig without sucking.
Do yourself a favor and buy a nice but small amp and then tell everyone else in your band to turn the fuck down during rehearsals.
Or, buy a double stack, waste your money, and spend your time competing with people who you should be cooperating with.
Okay. I never said Double stack. Also, about turning down, we have tried it many times. It doesn't work. If we turn down, we can't hear over the drums. If I turn up, my amp starts to sound like its gonna explode. No matter what I do to my EQ, I always get the same "about to blow" sound.I have never seen a combo that was able to match a stack, unless I'm up against that Marshall Mini-Stack.
Also, I never said I wanted to drown everyone else out. That would just be me turning into a total dick. I just want the Riple because we ALWAYS practice at retartedly loudness, and if the Triple Recto can do that for me, then that's what I want. Besides. I've played the Triple Recto, and it's an amazing amp.
Considering the and expenses though, I've thought about it. No matter what, I'm getting a Recto. I'm just not sure which multiple. (It'll probably end up being a double though.) Also, no matter what, it's gonna be a stack. NOT A DOUBLE STACK, but a stack still. I know what I want, and am sticking with the decision.
Also, I never said I wanted to drown everyone else out. That would just be me turning into a total dick. I just want the Riple because we ALWAYS practice at retartedly loudness, and if the Triple Recto can do that for me, then that's what I want. Besides. I've played the Triple Recto, and it's an amazing amp.
Considering the and expenses though, I've thought about it. No matter what, I'm getting a Recto. I'm just not sure which multiple. (It'll probably end up being a double though.) Also, no matter what, it's gonna be a stack. NOT A DOUBLE STACK, but a stack still. I know what I want, and am sticking with the decision.
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guitarguru777
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I dunno . its starting to sound to me like he wants teh stack just to impress people. Personally id buy a Single recto with 2x12 or the single recto 50w combo and be done with it. This is my preference. i been trying to defend his decisions but it looks like hes just getting a stack to OUT DO the other guys. Ive seen plenty of Combos that DESTROY a full stack and sound a million times better. The 5150 combo IMHO kills its big brother. The single recto combo destroys just about every marshall ive ever played.
When it comes to amps size DOESNT MATTER. TONE DOES.
Da Fukn Guru
When it comes to amps size DOESNT MATTER. TONE DOES.
Da Fukn Guru
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guitarguru777 said:
Yeah man, the first few months of my high school band I played through a fender twin reverb combo and that was PLENTY loud, even with a 2nd guitarist. And then when I got a Mesa Mark IV, I only got a 2x12 with that and it was still really fucking loud...plus Mesa even tells you not to turn the master volume above 3 unless you wanna really burn out your power tubes fast...the volume doesn't even actually get louder after 3 on those amps...
Either your other guys *are* too loud or the drummer is playing too hard, *or* your amps aren't positioned well enough for everyone to hear each other at decent volumes.
ptah knemu said:
Alright, your band needs some serious help. Give them all the link to this thread and then have them all pay attention, because I'm going to tell you the secret to being able to hear yourselves without overdoing this pissing contest you're getting trapped in...
STEP ONE: Take all amps, speakers, PAs, etc. and place them on one side of the room, all facing the same direction.
STEP TWO: Take your drummer, and set him up on the oppisite side of the room, facing the amps.
STEP THREE: DON'T SCOOP YOUR MIDS. REDUCE YOUR BASS. This goes for all guitarists and bassists in your band. Find your "ideal tone" WITHOUT any low end whatsoever. Get the right mix of mids and highs, and then slowly add in the low end of the EQ to add the right amount of body. But I'm warning you... TOO MUCH BASS = YOU CAN'T HEAR ANYTHING. Your bandmates are probably playing through closed-back cabinets, which compounds this problem.
STEP FOUR: Everyone should shut the fuck up for a minute and let the drummer start playing by himself. Once he starts playing, have the bassist slowly increase his volume until he can hear himself perfectly mixed with the drums. Now the drummer and the bassist are both playing... add in the vocalist. Do the same thing, start quietly and slowly increase the volume until the mix is perfect.
NOTE -- IF YOUR BASSIST TURNS HIS AMP UP WHILE THE VOCALIST IS MIXING IN, THEN PUNCH HIM IN THE STOMACH AND START OVER AGAIN AT STEP ONE.
STEP FIVE: Now comes the delicate part: the guitars. Every guitar should have their mids cranked. If not, see that they do. Now start with YOU since you have the small amp. Slowly increase your volume until you're quieter than the vocals but louder than the bass. Once you are, turn yourself down *a little bit more*. This is to compensate for the fact that there is more than one guitar in the mix. Now add in the other guitarist. If he turns up too loud, punch him in the stomach. If the bassist has touched his amp since he first started playing, then you have to start over.
This should fix your band's problem. You should never need a "volume boost" for guitar solos if you do this properly. The vocalist should never have to sing louder than usual, and everyone should be able to hear everyone else. If not, start over again. It WILL work if you actually try it.
Now about your amp... Buy a 30-watt all-tube combo amp. Seriously. Do it. Don't waste your money on something with more wattage than that. By no means should you ever buy anything over 50 watts. 15 watts is enough to gig and jam. Get a small amp, an efficient speaker cabinet (I HOPE YOU REALIZE THAT YOU CAN PLUG A 15-WATT FENDER BLUES JR. INTO A 4X12 CABINET IF YOU WANT TO), and be done with it.
Or... waste your money on power you don't need, for no reason other than that your band doesn't know how to do a proper sound check.
guitarguru777
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AVISO .. that was beautiful !!!!!!!!!!
FOLLOW THIS ADVICE.... WE BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS and it works perfectly. Except i usually do vocals after guitars .....lol
Da Fukn Guru
FOLLOW THIS ADVICE.... WE BEEN DOING THIS FOR YEARS and it works perfectly. Except i usually do vocals after guitars .....lol
Da Fukn Guru
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guitarguru777
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Wow.
That really was beautiful. I really don't have much to say to that that you havent already said anyhting about.
So I really don't need a new amp. But I'm really starting to get fed up with mine though, because the onboard EQ only goes either retartedly low, or retartedly high. That's one of the reasons I wanted a new amp from the beginning. Aside from more power, which I don't even need.
P.S. I forgot to say that A
That really was beautiful. I really don't have much to say to that that you havent already said anyhting about.
So I really don't need a new amp. But I'm really starting to get fed up with mine though, because the onboard EQ only goes either retartedly low, or retartedly high. That's one of the reasons I wanted a new amp from the beginning. Aside from more power, which I don't even need.
You pretty much looked into the future. My bassist NEVER STOPS!!! I'm trying to show the rest of my band a riff or something or discuss something with my other guitarrist and he just keeps playing.!Aviso! said:
P.S. I forgot to say that A
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LOL ...well then he needs to learn to shut up when you guys are talking. I had this problem with a drummer once. I put my fist through his snare drum. He never did it again....
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heres the whole story.
We had just been set up a showcase for Roadrunner, so we were dertermined to pull out a PERFECT no hold bard showcase. While in rehersal we got this idea for a new song. It was SOLID and just had a killer riff. So we decided to do it at the showcase.
While i was going over the harmony parts with the other guitarist. Our drummer kept playing Domination by Pantera (this was early 94 pantera was the big thing). I kept terning to him and going ... "PETE DUDE PLEASE WE ARE WORKING HERE" .... But ever 30 seconds ... DA_DA_DA_DA_DA DAT !!!!!
After about 15 minutes i was like DUDE I SWEAR YOU HIT THAT SNARE ONE MORE TIME AND ILL THROW IT OUT THE FUKN WINDOW .... So he hit it again ... REALLY REALLY LOUD with both sticks...
I walked over.... picked the snare up off its stand held it with 1 hand and just WALIED it as hard as i could. I went tright through the top head and left and indentation on the bottom one. (scratched my guitar in the process too ... GRRRR !!!)
So he ran over hes all like DUDE I JUST PUT THOSE HEADS ON !!!!!
I turned to him and i said. If i never hear him play again while we are working out parts as god as my witness i would take each drum out in the same fashion one by one.....
He NEVER did it again...
So we finished the song played the showcase and got a distribution deal (the actuall contract made us lose all right to our won music so we didnt do it. They agreed to a Distribution deal) and the rest is history ....
After the band broke up that is one of the stories that always pops up when i talk to the guys. Its one of our fondest memories cause it was so funny. He was a killer drummer too. Just a bit annoying. Always tapping his hands and feet no metter where he was ....lol
We had just been set up a showcase for Roadrunner, so we were dertermined to pull out a PERFECT no hold bard showcase. While in rehersal we got this idea for a new song. It was SOLID and just had a killer riff. So we decided to do it at the showcase.
While i was going over the harmony parts with the other guitarist. Our drummer kept playing Domination by Pantera (this was early 94 pantera was the big thing). I kept terning to him and going ... "PETE DUDE PLEASE WE ARE WORKING HERE" .... But ever 30 seconds ... DA_DA_DA_DA_DA DAT !!!!!
After about 15 minutes i was like DUDE I SWEAR YOU HIT THAT SNARE ONE MORE TIME AND ILL THROW IT OUT THE FUKN WINDOW .... So he hit it again ... REALLY REALLY LOUD with both sticks...
I walked over.... picked the snare up off its stand held it with 1 hand and just WALIED it as hard as i could. I went tright through the top head and left and indentation on the bottom one. (scratched my guitar in the process too ... GRRRR !!!)
So he ran over hes all like DUDE I JUST PUT THOSE HEADS ON !!!!!
I turned to him and i said. If i never hear him play again while we are working out parts as god as my witness i would take each drum out in the same fashion one by one.....
He NEVER did it again...
So we finished the song played the showcase and got a distribution deal (the actuall contract made us lose all right to our won music so we didnt do it. They agreed to a Distribution deal) and the rest is history ....
After the band broke up that is one of the stories that always pops up when i talk to the guys. Its one of our fondest memories cause it was so funny. He was a killer drummer too. Just a bit annoying. Always tapping his hands and feet no metter where he was ....lol
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