who is your favorite metal drummer?

[Jeremy Krull]

I must say firstly, that if someone is consider "live" at Budokan the best recorded concert of all time, or that Mike Portnoy is an upstanding metal drummer, then I might as well consider Osama Bin Laden the most peace-loving hospitable, loving human being known to man.

Get real here ladies and gentlemen, we're talking about metal drummers, we're talking about metal in general.

I've seen Portnoy live a lot, the fact that he makes all these really run-of-the-mill easy mathematic fill concepts seem so hard (by his pathetic facial expressions) and that he overplays on EVERYTHING (especially that lovely time at the BB King's warm-up shitfest where he basically made love to this one HHX crash on the kit the whole time) really annoys the shit out of me, and a lot of tried and true drummers as well.

you want to talk metal drummers,

you talk:

Terrana
Stauch
Ratikainen
Christy
Barker (no not that little bitch)
Roddy
Mounier
Cozy Powell
Nicko
Mikkey Dee
Bobby Jarz
you get the idea...

anyway, end rant. I'm not normally this ranty, I just felt like typing a little more than usual, DT is one of the (not THE, one of THE) most overrated bands in the progressive genre, and their "metal" is as sincere as getting a rim job from a clap-toting dragon.

 

[Rose Immortal]

While I don't have the low overall opinion of DT that you do...you did finally explain in better language what I meant by "sloppy" when I was talking about Portnoy: the way he "overplays".

 

[G-Master]

I don't necessarily dislike Portnoy (even though its the trend for progmetal elitists to badmouth anything associated with Dream Theater these days) but I think he's incredibly overrated, even within the metal genre. Some of his fills are pretty cool sounding, but he's extremely flashy, too flashy I think...but a lot of Dream Theater fans seem perpetually stuck in the mindset that being able to play in constantly shuffling odd time signatures is the be all and end all of drumming prowess.

Ditto.

In the end, the ultimate downfall of Mike Portnoy as a drummer, is that he looks like a fucking douche.

 

[Metropolis Part 2]

I must say firstly, that if someone is consider "live" at Budokan the best recorded concert of all time, or that Mike Portnoy is an upstanding metal drummer, then I might as well consider Osama Bin Laden the most peace-loving hospitable, loving human being known to man.

And what would you consider the best recorded concert ever?

If Flo Meunier was one of the best Metal Drummers in the world, then Cryptopsy would be a Fusion Jazz Progressive Metal band.

 

[Jeremy Krull]

Believe me man, I don't consider Flo or Cryptopsy the best in the world by any means.

I mean in a realistic sense, the best recorded concert ever, is such a subjective thing, because it spans so many genres. I would say if there was a dvd of the Yessymphonic Tour, that might come close, as far as stuff we're all into. But it is truthfully subjective, keep in mind the point of my post was not to say that I thought another performance was better than Budokan, but just that it's not worthy of being called the best.

And for the record, everyone's been shoving Flo Mounier in my face lately, and while he's very good, there are other drummers both in and out of that genre who can do that.

 

[Metropolis Part 2]

True, but my favorite DVD is Live at Budokan. I don't think its the best, just at least one of the best.

 

[Yngvai X]

And what would you consider the best recorded concert ever?

If Flo Meunier was one of the best Metal Drummers in the world, then Cryptopsy would be a Fusion Jazz Progressive Metal band.

That fact that you think "best metal drummer" must automatically mean someone in a prog band, transcends silliness...thats just downright stupid.

 

[Metropolis Part 2]

That fact that you think "best metal drummer" must automatically mean someone in a prog band, transcends silliness...thats just downright stupid.

How about No? Prog drummers are just BETTER. More expression, less monkey beatoffs.

 

[Yngvai X]

How about No? Prog drummers are just BETTER. More expression, less monkey beatoffs.

Remind me to never take anything you say seriously ever again.

 

[sknight]

Paul Bostaph

Jonas Ekdahl (Evergrey)-this guy's performance on their live album was an incredible surprise for technicality, as well as power.

Reed St. Mark (Celtic Frost)

Marquis Marky (Coroner, Apollyon Sun)

Jurgen "Ventor" Reil- Kreator

Brann Dailor (Lethargy, Mastodon) While he's decent in Mastodon, his performances were truly over the top in Lethargy. Nearly incomparable.

Chuck Biscuits- this dude made a small starter set sound like a huge set.

 

[Jeremy Krull]

Dude, Metropolis, you just said prog drummers play with less monkey beatoffs?

do you have any concept of how bad Mike Portnoy (and every one of his sniffling clones) goes against what you have just claimed?

are you seriously trying to say that a metal drummer like Mike Terrana, or better yet Nicko McBrain, beatoff on the drums? I mean you want to talk about excessive inappropriate canned drumming, or unnecessarily big drum kits for that matter, Portnoy is your man.

and I'm not talking from a "DT is crap" standpoint either, a lot of people happen to feel this way, even the old school hardcore DT fans.

 

[sknight]

The guy from Threshold is AMAZING.

+1

Johanne deserves more accolades for his solid style. You don't need flash and outlandish technicality, a la Mike Portnoy, but you need style that you can embellish. Jaso Rullo does just this. The music comes first, then build on it. Mike makes music around shredding, as does the rest of DT now.

In any event, Johanne is a great solid drummer and can do more than he typically presents.

 

[Rose Immortal]

Not to speak for Metropolis here, but I think he might've been referring to stuff like relying on blastbeats, that some drummers do.

 

[Yngvai X]

Not to speak for Metropolis here, but I think he might've been referring to stuff like relying on blastbeats, that some drummers do.

Death and black metal rely on blastbeats as part of the sound of the genre, if you don't like the sound of that, then its not a question of being a bad or uncreative drummer, its a question of you not liking the sound of death/black metal.

 

[dargormudshark]

Not to speak for Metropolis here, but I think he might've been referring to stuff like relying on blastbeats, that some drummers do.

God damn! drummers don't rely on blast beats. Most types of metal that have lots of blast beats use it for an increase in intenstiy. BM is pretty much intense alot of the time, that is what it is known for musically IMO. They aren't relying on it!

Matropolis Part 2...I want you to go to the cd store. Buy The Sound of Perseverance by Death and listen to Scavenger of Human Sorrow and Spirit Crusher. I also think you should listen to some Terrana, you are not opening your ears passed Dream Theater, even any progsnob I know would admit Johan Langell could own Portnoy. On Rullo's site he has some jams...listen to that he owns Portnoy. Also, Just because it's not prog does not mean the drummer isn't good. Take Richard Christy he was in Death and Iced Earth..not prog. I could name others but I don't feel like wastimg my time, when I could be practicing so in the future you can bitch out people on my forum when they say they don't like me

BTW, whoever said this Jonas Ekdahl is very good and he has great potential, he is also one of the more powerful metal drummers IMO

 

[Rose Immortal]

Death and black metal rely on blastbeats as part of the sound of the genre, if you don't like the sound of that, then its not a question of being a bad or uncreative drummer, its a question of you not liking the sound of death/black metal.

I don't think I hear a lot of that stuff out of Opeth, and I know they're classed as melodic death metal by some. Then again, maybe they're just a weird case.

 

[dargormudshark]

I don't think I hear a lot of that stuff out of Opeth, and I know they're classed as melodic death metal by some. Then again, maybe they're just a weird case.

Opeth does not use blast beats like Nick Barker does so...do not speak.

 

[Rose Immortal]

I think you may need to read that again...I was trying to say that they don't...

 

[dargormudshark]

I think you may need to read that again...I was trying to say that they don't...

oh ok, well they aren't death or black so

 

[soulshred]

Drummers,
What do you guys think about the guy in Dimmu Borgir. I am not really interested in their work so I didnt really hear his playing. But I hear good stuff?