who was a bigger influence?

[Susperia]

Then go away!

Damnit Dodens put me in a bad mood. You damn pansy!

 

[Krilons Resa]

Well, Bathory is directly influenced from Venom....so Venom.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

Ha! That might be true, but I'd say Bathory took the influence further while Venom kind of stagnated. But if we were talking about who influenced the influencers instead of how MUCH influence they had and how widespread it was, it'd def. be Venom and it would be nearly a fact.

 

[genocide roach]

Ha! That might be true, but I'd say Bathory took the influence further while Venom kind of stagnated. But if we were talking about who influenced the influencers instead of how MUCH influence they had and how widespread it was, it'd def. be Venom and it would be nearly a fact.

yeah, but who influenced venom? cuz they would be the founders of black metal by that logic
~gR~

 

[Krilons Resa]

Ha! That might be true, but I'd say Bathory took the influence further while Venom kind of stagnated. But if we were talking about who influenced the influencers instead of how MUCH influence they had and how widespread it was, it'd def. be Venom and it would be nearly a fact.

I absolutely agree with you. I just wanted to razz Susperia a bit more.

 

[Krilons Resa]

yeah, but who influenced venom? cuz they would be the founders of black metal by that logic
~gR~

Motorhead? - musically speaking anyway. Good question that Im not sure if I know the real answer to.

 

[Alter]

bathory....made the whole necro sound

 

[Astrum]

It was tough between Bathory and Celtic Frost. I'm gonna have to go with Bathory, though. Besides the obviously huge contribution to black metal, they also influenced shitloads of bands now in the "Viking Metal" genre. Without Bathory all of this would be completely and totally different.

 

[Satanstoenail]

Bathory for sure, closely followed by Venom.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

I absolutely agree with you. I just wanted to razz Susperia a bit more.

Fair enough.

Now we're heading in a wery, wery interesting direction!

 

[skeptik]

I actually believe Quorthon when he claimed not to have heard Venom by the time that he recorded the first LP, and I honestly don't really hear much Venom musically (I hear much more GBH, The Exploited, and Motorhead), but by the second LP THERE'S NO FUCKING QUESTION. Especially since Born For Burning is practically a carbon copy of Don't Burn The Witch.

 

[Xorv]

I picked Venom, thinking they were the oldest. Now I regret it and prefer Bathroy. Anyways, I've only heard songs from them and not the rest.

 

[genocide roach]

bathory was as george described, and when black metal was being forged, no one knew who or what bathory was. just coz sweden is a hot spot for metal now a days, and they were always into bathory, doesnt mean the rest of the world gave a shit. maybe looking back, they perfected the genre, but they were most certainly NOT an influence by any means.

http://www.powerslave.com/community/viewtopic.php?p=603853#603853
~gR~

 

[Dazed and Brutal]

Meh, I voted for Venom, but on the basis of a few of your statements (V.V.V.V.V. in particular) I should have picked Bathory...

 

[Krilons Resa]

Stop pussyfooting and take your choice to the grave with you, ya godamn wishy-washy pricks!

 

[genocide roach]

Why the hell do you post there if they're so fucking clueless?

cuz its fun. and its my old scene (northern california)
~gR~

 

[Hatebreeder]

Bathory, because their early material strikes me as more musically related to later, established black metal groups and their later stuff was influential to the 90s movement of folk and "viking" metal, both of which tend to blend with black metal quite often.

 

[LieToPurify]

Id say Venom.

 

[hibernal_dream]

I chose Hellhammer because they predated Celtic Frost, therefore subsume all later influencers.

 

[Majesty]

Venom, they weren´t only a big influence on black metal but also a huge one in thrash