Why do women earn so much less?

Necuratul said:
What the hell is all of this "be a man," "wussyboy" shit? What is it to be a man?
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It can be many things, which is sort of my point. As a woman I want to find out what kind of guy you are if you're wanting to take me out. I want a guy that isn't afraid to step up and be himself, not a wimpering yes-man.

Necuratul said:
To tell a woman what to do, drag her out some place, pay for her dinner and bracelet, and then carry her up the stairs? What is it to be a woman to you people? It sounds more like trying to entertain a toddler than a mutual relationship.
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No, I said right from the beginning it wasn't about macho posturing. There's a lot of ground between being a macho goon and a wussyboy. Who you are and where you are on that continuum is what a woman wants to know. We all have different tastes. I'm not a super-feminist-type, I like a man to hold a door for me and bring me little surprises for no reason at all. I don't expect the kind of equality where he comes in from mowing half the lawn and says that my half is waiting to be cut. I expect him to take care of the "man things" and I'll take care of the "woman things". I believe there can still be an equitable division of labor but I think we should focus on our strengths. If it were up to him we'd drink beer and have squirt-cheese on Ritz crackers for every meal, so I tend to take care of that. But the thing is, if he were sick or away and the grass needed cutting I would take care of it. In my world it's not about expectations as much as it's about caring for each other.
 
LithiumLulu said:
Second, guys always bitch about the guys that are dicks getting the girls. Here's another secret: a lot of girls like a bad boy. A bad boy doesn't have any trouble making decisions, he knows what he wants, and that's a turn on especially if he lets me know I'm one of those things.
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this is so true. I used to be another chump who would constantly bitch about this so I found out the truth on a thread on bb.com and have completely changed my mindset.

Below 30 - http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=3358161

Get Your Mind Right, Get The Girls And Run

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Why do men struggle so much with women and relationships? It's because of 'Logical Social Programming' (LSP). Logic tells us that being nice and doing nice things should make people feel comfortable and inviting towards one another. It's true, it does do those things, but only under the right circumstances. When it comes to relationships with females, standard logic does not work.

LSP is what young men recieve and is reinforced to them during the course of their early adult life. Women have a natural selection process that they use to determine which man gets to have sexual relations with her. Before the industrial revolution (factories, automation etc) when people lived off the land, women's requirements for the right man made logical sense. This was because a weak minded, shy and passive man would not be able to defend the girl and his territory from outside threats. Only a 'tough' guy would be able to provide for and ensure the survival of a potential family.

Fast foward to the future. The 'urban Jungle', governments, laws, police, military, by-laws, courts and jail time. All of these things take away the need for any one man to have to be a natural hero to a potential family. That requirement has been left in the hands of the government. Ironically, if a man were to use natural instincts and methods to defend his family, the government would punish him for breaking 'man made laws'. Since men don't have to be the dominant warriors that were required of them in primative times, 'Logical Social Programming' seemed to make sense.

Problem is, the female mind hasn't fully evolved to today's government controlled lifestyle. Women on a 'subconscious' level, still want the 'tough guy' that will protect her so that she can be safe long enough to raise a family. So as we're taught to introduce ourselves as caring, sensitive and financially stable guys to girls, they are being turned off by it. Females see/hear compliments, gifts and lots of attention from men, but they don't see a 'tough guy'. What females want from a man in today's society is illogical, but it's a fact and a reality. Men have to "Get their minds right" in order to increase their chances at attracting females on a deep, subconscious level.

The next installment from me will be ideas on how to get your minds right and understand why you must break away from LSP -30-

below 30 is a fucking genius, I'm like his biggest fan :lol:
 
Hell Awaits Us All said:
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No, seriously, if you're this idiot's "biggest fan," then you should be embarrassed. Women's brains haven't evolved?

My main issue with most of what has recently been discussed is the problem of further propagating widely held stereotypes. Men are not necessarily strong, decisive, breadwinning, lawn mowing, car fixing bad asses with an aversion to cooking, cleaning, and children, and women are not necessarily the opposite, so when these things become expected in a relationship, that is when there is a problem. If it just so happens to be the case, that's fantastic, but if it is demanded, then your relationship will probably have significant problems, because those qualities don't make you a "man," and not having those qualities certainly doesn't preclude you from being one either, and the same goes for women.

Stating the obvious to some, but evidently this doesn't seem to get through to a lot of people. And no, this is not pointed at anybody, so don't feel attacked.
 
Necuratul said:
No, seriously, if you're this idiot's "biggest fan," then you should be embarrassed. Women's brains haven't evolved?
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everything this guy says is 100% true and both of us know it.

There is a reason plenty of assholes with no future go out with very attractive girls and guys on here who are extremely intelligent, nice and have very solid financial futures have never had a g/f at age 20 - 25.

You don't have to be an "asshole" or be a "tough guy" to truly attract girls. But you can't be a needy, desperate, submissive nerd. The second the girl sees that she is of higher value (IE "nice guys" that allow women to walk all over them) than you, it's all over.

yes, I know you're an asexual freak with no sex drive at all. This is more aimed at "nice" guys everywhere. Accept the truth and either change your mindset/approach, or shut up.

edit: LOL at dodens talking about how to attract girls, that's like a mentally challenged person talking about astro physics.
 
Necuratul said:
I wasn't talking about how to attract girls you special needs child. I don't give a flying fuck about how to attract girls. If a woman doesn't like who I am, then so be it, I don't care. I'm not going to be somebody that I'm not to "get laid." I can actually control myself.
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eh for me, I am going to have to do very very little to "change" myself to "get laid". Being and projecting an extremely high level of confidence, power and manliness is not exactly a foreign concept to me.

All I need to (and I am in the process of doing it) is making adjustments to my mindset/approach.
 
Necuratul said:
NMen are not necessarily strong, decisive, breadwinning, lawn mowing, car fixing bad asses with an aversion to cooking, cleaning, and children, and women are not necessarily the opposite, so when these things become expected in a relationship, that is when there is a problem.
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Of course no one is necessarily anything and any random combination of traits may yield a happy couple. I'm only talking in generalities and my own personal preference. But I think it's worth noting that two other females (or rough 100% of the females posting to this thread) strongly agreed with the point I made regarding men in general needing to be more "manly" and make some decisions. Of course not everyone is the same but there are generally attractive and desirable traits. This is one of them. The same could be said of men and what they find attractive and desirable in females, not everyone would agree but you'd find many would cite blond hair, large breasts, and willingness to go down on them anywhere as high on their list of attributes. Not many men are going to get their ideal and many women won't get theirs either. It's about finding the person that works best for you.

None of this is for my benefit, I've got a great guy that I plan to spend the rest of my life with. He's not perfect, but even in his flaws there is a sweetness and caring for me that I can't deny, so even when he has a macho outburst "defending" me from some perceived threat and I'm embarrassed, I still know it comes from a place of love. And he didn't get a blond, big titted slut, but I have given him the occasional handjob in public places, so I think we're doing ok. The only reason I even brought it up is because so many guys I've talked to about dating and relationships have no idea how they're blowing it, so I thought I'd share. Do with it what you will. Believe me, don't believe me, I don't care, I get all the sex I want, if you're doing the same maybe you don't need any of my advice. :lol:
 
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