Why do women earn so much less?

[MasterOLightning]

There's a difference between planning things and paying for them. Girls just expect to be whisked away on some evening of enchanted adventure. I do not have a problem paying for things, and after a few dates usually people start to go dutch most of the time. But it gets tiresome to always have to come up with the restaurant to go to, or what time to meet up, or who's driving, or where we're going afterwards.

 

[skeptik]

What the hell is all of this "be a man," "wussyboy" shit? What is it to be a man? To tell a woman what to do, drag her out some place, pay for her dinner and bracelet, and then carry her up the stairs? What is it to be a woman to you people? It sounds more like trying to entertain a toddler than a mutual relationship.

 

[ohiogrinder]

susperia's reaction to this = extremely entertaining.

pwned by a gay. you go girl!

 

[ohiogrinder]

Well, but money still matter. Don't they?

money money money all you broads care about is money

 

[genocide roach]

ok, all i see here are a bunch of guys bitching. seriously, stop. what happened to guys being romantic and taking a girl somewhere nice? it takes very little planning. dress semi formal, find a nice place to eat in the phone book (doesnt matter where), and pick the chic up! is that so hard?

in my experience, if you actually try, the results are better in the end! denny's and a movie doesnt cut it
~gR~

 

[~Neurotica]

money money money all you broads care about is money

You didn't even get my point...

 

[genocide roach]

There's a difference between planning things and paying for them. Girls just expect to be whisked away on some evening of enchanted adventure. I do not have a problem paying for things, and after a few dates usually people start to go dutch most of the time. But it gets tiresome to always have to come up with the restaurant to go to, or what time to meet up, or who's driving, or where we're going afterwards.

i wonder if the dutch actually do that. maybe they get offended by the term
~gR~

 

[skeptik]

ok, all i see here are a bunch of guys bitching. seriously, stop. what happened to guys being romantic and taking a girl somewhere nice? it takes very little planning. dress semi formal, find a nice place to eat in the phone book (doesnt matter where), and pick the chic up! is that so hard?

in my experience, if you actually try, the results are better in the end! denny's and a movie doesnt cut it
~gR~

You're missing the point. I don't have a problem with the chivalry that Lulu and Neurotica are suggesting. What I'm questioning is the hypocrisy expressed in wanting change in one area and a stalemate in another, as well as the ceaseless perpetuation of gender stereotypes. In reality, I would be the chivalrous man for the most part, but in a more balanced relationship, because that's just how I am. But I'm attacking the assertion that this is the way that the world should work, unalterably. Men ask girls out, make plans, pick them up, pay for their dinner, then carry them back to their door. If this is how your relationship is, fine, but it shouldn't be expected.

 

[genocide roach]

meh
~gR~

 

[genocide roach]

yeah, i'm just tryin to look good for the ladies

honestly. i dont think women expect fairy tale/high society on a date anymore. so in my eyes, the entire argument is kind of silly. just do what you need to do. i do reccomend giving them somthing they dont expect though. and that doesnt mean stick it in her ass when shes getting in the car
~gR~

 

[Krigloch the Furious]

ok, all i see here are a bunch of guys bitching. seriously, stop. what happened to guys being romantic and taking a girl somewhere nice? it takes very little planning. dress semi formal, find a nice place to eat in the phone book (doesnt matter where), and pick the chic up! is that so hard?

in my experience, if you actually try, the results are better in the end! denny's and a movie doesnt cut it
~gR~

Im all for taking a chick to a nice restaurant. Money is nothing when the outcome could equal fun.

I just gotta get the job, and the khakis. then I can get the girl. I love baseketball

 

[MasterOLightning]

It's funny that the women who want men to dominate their social/domestic sphere whine so much about being secondary in the work force. Maybe if women cared for equality in their relationships, then it would find it's way to the workplace.

To expect and encourage men to act a certain way in social life and then to be totally different at work is unreasonable.

 

[Susperia]

If you're taking a girl out and she asks where you're going don't say, "I don't know, what do you wanna do?" Have a plan, be a man, don't be afraid to make a decision about something. Way too many men that I've met act like they're still trying to please mommy. I'm not your mother, and I'm not looking for some wussyboy.

 

[Susperia]

To expect and encourage men to act a certain way in social life and then to be totally different at work is unreasonable.

Okay so.... You don't treat the women you work with any differently than you do the women you know intimately?

 

[Susperia]

Ok girls make up your minds, do you want men to take care of you (ie make more money so you can be pregnant and go shopping) or this equality thing?

Different women will want different things you idiot. We're not all the same person here, we all have different needs. What we want is THE CHOICE!


And about women taking men out-----That's fine, but Lithiumlulu was talking about when the man takes the woman out. I know how frustrating it is to have an indecisive guy who wants you to figure out all the unimportant, everyday shit, while he gets to figure out all the important parts of the relationship.

 

[cookiecutter]

I think what the women here are trying to say is that if you ask a woman out, then you should choose the date, not that that is the only way things should be.

 

[~Neurotica]

That's it.

 

[MasterOLightning]

Okay so.... You don't treat the women you work with any differently than you do the women you know intimately?

That's not a gender issue; it's about depth of relationships. The system supported by society has men dominate relationships. It shouldn't come as a surprise that this carries over into the workplace. So you like being told what to do, but you don't like being told you're making less? Too bad. If men see women are willing to be submissive on one level, why should they stop there? Women should aim for equality, but holding these silly standards for men is holding them back.

 

[Susperia]

I don't want a man to dominate me in my personal life OR in the workplace---- How about that???

 

[PanzerKunt]

Different women will want different things you idiot. We're not all the same person here, we all have different needs. What we want is THE CHOICE!

OH REALLY I DIDN'T KNOW THAT!
My comment was not provocative. In any way. I do not generalize people. Except idiots.