WTF!!!!!!! My friend just tackled a burglar through his window and almost got shot
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Works0fheart
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Let us know if the stuff gets recovered or not. This my friends, is why we have guns in my house =/ I guess you could say I live next to alot of "chocolate people"
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How the fuck does having a gun in the house help in this situation? The burglary occurred when no one was home. The guns would have just been stolen too... jesus.
Works0fheart
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In the instance that you see someone running away from your home holding your shit after it's fairly obvious he just broke into your house and stole it, your first instinct may be to find your gun that you have hidden away somewhere safe and shoot him? Maybe? I don't know, that's just me, I thought that was pretty easy to put together and comprehend.
Is it like troll Brent night or something? Like really? No. Just no.
Is it like troll Brent night or something? Like really? No. Just no.
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Well if he didn't manage to find your hypothetical gun and make off with it, by retrieving the gun and shooting him as he flees your home and is no longer posing any threat to you, you just got yourself a nice assault with a deadly weapon/murder charge
25 years for a PS3 + a civil suit from the thief. Bankrupt and in jail getting raped. Congrats!
Well if he didn't manage to find your hypothetical gun and make off with it, by retrieving the gun and shooting him as he flees your home and is no longer posing any threat to you, you just got yourself a nice assault with a deadly weapon/murder charge
This actually depends on his states castle doctrine law
the loosest castle doctrines treats any part of your property(including the lawn, the car or your "personal space" feks) as your castle, inwhich you have the right to defend yourself against anything you deem as a threat to yourself and your property. Anyone trespassing on said property, facing you or running away, or even running across the tip of your lawn, fleeing from burglaring your neighbour etc, is yours to shoot, legally. Was a case in the younaiteed staets a couple of years back, where some old geezer went out with his shotgun and dropped two burglars who robbed his neighbours house. He shot them in the back, but as they were on his lawn, he had every right to kill them. All charges dropped, man was free to go. No "25 years" or bankrupcy
oh, and everyone knows that if you shoot for self defense; shoot to kill, even if it means you have to shoot several times. Just avoid headshots, and don't use russian/soviet weapons.
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Well in Canada we don't even have that right. In the states you have the right to defend your property but in Canada all property belongs to the government (in a tricky way written into our constituion) so we can't do shit. We are allowed to defend ourselves however regardless of his state's laws, ALL LAW is based on what the "reasonable person" would do, and shooting and possibly killing a burglar who has fled your house or in the process of fleeing is gonna get you fucked in the ass hard by the legal system. You're supposed to call the police in the eyes of the law, anything else (unless in self defense) is illegal.
I'd also like a link to that case if you have it because you're either leaving something out or it's total bullshit
cant find the original video, but its the same man
Edit: and according to this, he was never even charged rofl
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Horn_shooting_controversy
wiki on the incident, looks like he was charged later, but then cleared by the court
Edit: and according to this, he was never even charged rofl
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Horn_shooting_controversy
wiki on the incident, looks like he was charged later, but then cleared by the court
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CliffBurton
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Yeah depends on where you are. Here though, someone running away is not a threat to you, and even though hes a criminal, hes considered a person with rights, and shooting someone over a Ps3 is frowned upon (from a legal point of view).
I think its frowned upon morally too
It's easy to think its hardcore and OK to shoot a guy because he's stealing stuff, but at the end of the day, its just stuff, and stuff can be replaced.
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Climbing out the window =/= stepping onto your property while in the commission of a crime. Despite the fact that he was an old racist badass wih an itchy trigger finger, it could be perceived as a threat to his well being that these criminals approached him. Still bullshit either way.
Ess en
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Why?
What if ran him down, tackled him (similarly to what Lowburg's friend did, I guess), tried to get your stuff back- and then he started to attack you?
I do agree to an extent. But then, after I think about it a little more, I feel that the world would be an overall better place without social parasites like that in the world.
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You initiated the attack is what his defense will argue, you created the situation.
Also, why? Because if they live they can prosecute you, not to mention if you were really in a situation where it was your life or his why would you not shoot to kill? It negates your whole account of the situation.
Also, why? Because if they live they can prosecute you, not to mention if you were really in a situation where it was your life or his why would you not shoot to kill? It negates your whole account of the situation.
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CliffBurton
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If you attack someone, and they attack you back, its commonly seen as a fight rather than an assault. In a fight both sides are charged. The point is to avoid violent conflict. The guy in Muffin's video, should be fucking charged with SOMETHING. It was not his house, it was not his property, and no one was ever in any physical danger, until he brought out a gun.
911 Operator: "You go out there you are going to get shot, stay inside"
Hillbilly:"Kyuk Kyuk wanna bet, boy!?"
Whats the Jailtime for break and enter in Texas? I assume its less than life in prison, or death sentence. He had a bag full of valuables so this guy deemed it appropriate to fire a shotgun off in the street in broad daylight. What if he missed, or some buckshot when flying out into someones house hitting some kid watching TV? (Maybe I just have a crazy imagination)
Yeah, I had a somewhat socialist family :/
Ess en
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But you have a right to go and try to get your stuff back, right? I'm pretty sure here you are allowed to physically detain someone until police arrive. So at what point does it go from you're just trying to get your stuff back- to he's trying to hurt you in order to keep the stuff instead of just dropping it and running away and then you have to defend yourself?
Yes.
Again, I'm more thinking along the lines of "I want my stuff back, so I'm gonna chase you down and try to get you to drop it" kind of thing. But in this case, could it be considered that he instigated the fight by provocation? Provocation in that he stole your shit? XD
And yeah, texas is fucked.
And I'm just asking as far as where you guys are from and how things go there. I'm not really sure how something like this would work here, except for what I said before about detaining someone. I'm not sure how far you can really go as far as "detaining" goes, either... A little law or criminal justice wouldn't be a bad idea for anyone.
Because lawyers are taught to exploit both those situation as special cases, whereas if you aim for the head and hit, you are now a "trained professional cop killer"
And russian weaponry are commie weaponry, and just by that, it always wins the case. Seriously, always, not even making it up :/
And Ryan, Buckshot is not going anywhere and penetrating a house, this is why shotguns are legal anywhere in the world, because the risk of overshooting the target, and overpenetrating, is pretty much nonexistent. If he however brought out a medium caliber rifle, like a M14, it would've been an entirely different situation, as that caliber can travel up to 3-4000 meters and still kill.
http://www.ajc.com/news/dekalb/boy-most-likely-shot-264997.html
Nevermind the AK47 remarks, thats just the commie lawyer technique bleeding out into media. Only thing they can honestly say, is that its a .30 caliber weapon, and as most use the same bullets, it could be anything from a SKS/AK, to a american made M14. But american weapons are made by america, and cant kill american citizens.
Thus it must be an AK47.
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