WTF!!!!!!! My friend just tackled a burglar through his window and almost got shot

[The Emptier]

 

[snowy]

why is everyone here afraid of black people?

 

[alyssa_rae]

I know I'm late on this, but sounds like a pretty fucking crazy night!
I hope you get all your stuff back and I'm glad your friend is ok.

 

[CliffBurton]

I was waiting for this debate to happen All it needed was one Amerifag to make a stupid comment involving guns...

From the south too

This is why I dont have a home and no property
Just mah gun to protect the hood

But you have a right to go and try to get your stuff back, right? I'm pretty sure here you are allowed to physically detain someone until police arrive. So at what point does it go from you're just trying to get your stuff back- to he's trying to hurt you in order to keep the stuff instead of just dropping it and running away and then you have to defend yourself?



Again, I'm more thinking along the lines of "I want my stuff back, so I'm gonna chase you down and try to get you to drop it" kind of thing. But in this case, could it be considered that he instigated the fight by provocation? Provocation in that he stole your shit? XD

First, hes a criminal, its assumed the second you go out to confront him, its a dangerous situation and you are more than likely going ot have to defend yourself. The law here (Joe can correct me if I'm wrong, my lawyer-roommate is at work), is the other party has to strike you three times before its considered self defense, otherwise its just a fight. If hes holding a weapon, its different, but generally the law here is, let them take what they want, walk away, let the cops deal with it.

And no, you would still be provoking the violence by chasing him down. Self-defence is a last resort, you are aloud to attack someone if you don't have the option to run away and call for help. If the guy is not attacking you, and running away, you don't need to attack him to save your life, you want to attack him to get your money back. Generally the court will see it as unnecessary violence on your part, as they see a human life (no matter how filthy) as worth more than you're video game collection.

@Muffin on Buckshot: Yeah, I don';t know guns, was just talking shit

I still consider it irresponsible to bring one out onto the street and fire off a gun on a public street, good chance there could have been kids just playing or something. Two people, three shots? He either missed once, or he went to finish one of them off.

 

[Works0fheart]

It's like Muffin said, here you can pretty much shoot anyone who you feel is a threat to you on your property. Of course your not allowed to go overboard and just spray bullets into them, but you are aloud to defend yourself to the highest point that the situation merits. If someone is on your property, fleeing from your home with your shit then you can probably get away with shooting him in the leg which will leave him alive until the police arrive. If you were to just shoot him in the back of the skull while he is running then you'd be in some shit though. If it were a situation where your life is literally in danger or someone elses is, it really doesn't matter where you shoot them. I actually saw a thing on tv not long ago about a store clerk who shot someone in the face who opened fire on him. He didn't get shit for it but a bunch of spots on the news.

Basically you just try to never use excessive force unless you don't really have much of a choice.

 

[Muffin]

It's like Muffin said, here you can pretty much shoot anyone who you feel is a threat to you on your property. Of course your not allowed to go overboard and just spray bullets into them, but you are aloud to defend yourself to the highest point that the situation merits. If someone is on your property, fleeing from your home with your shit then you can probably get away with shooting him in the leg which will leave him alive until the police arrive. If you were to just shoot him in the back of the skull while he is running then you'd be in some shit though. If it were a situation where your life is literally in danger or someone elses is, it really doesn't matter where you shoot them. I actually saw a thing on tv not long ago about a store clerk who shot someone in the face who opened fire on him. He didn't get shit for it but a bunch of spots on the news.

Basically you just try to never use excessive force unless you don't really have much of a choice.

NO NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!

Don't EVER shoot just to injure, that will get you severely raped by every legal instance possible. If your life is "in danger", you should always shoot TO KILL. If there's no reason to kill, then you're not in "danger" perse. As horrible as it may sound; if you have to shoot someone, make sure you kill them. If you don't, then they can represent their defense, and your chance of getting jailed for it just skyrocketed.

Theres a reason why less-than-lethal weapons(stun guns/rock salt shotgun rounds, etc) are illegal, because you're only "qualified" to defend yourself for your own life, not to detain someone. That's a police job.


I mean there are probably exceptions, but seriously, its not worth risking.

 

[CliffBurton]

Theres a reason why less-than-lethal weapons(stun guns/rock salt shotgun rounds, etc) are illegal, because you're only "qualified" to defend yourself for your own life, not to detain someone. That's a police job.

They JUST changed the laws on stun-guns here, about fucking time .
Up until the beginning of the month (I think it was). Now, you can only use one if the guy is about to cause bodily harm on someone...which is absolutely fucked that the law wasn't in place before.

This thread is fun

 

[Muffin]

Yeah, laws like these are interesting. I have to say, personally, i'd like to see a sort of "castle doctrine" here in Norway too. I think at the moment, you have the right to run for your fucking life while dialing 911 regardless of the situation. If you do any self-defense, you run the risk of getting prosecuted on it.
I really think that if you're in your house and you know someone is in your house without your permission, you should have the right to grab a weapon and warn the person that you are present and armed, if person does not leave and becomes aggressive, you should be able to defend your own life. But i guess theres a lot of arguments even against this, its a touchy subject that's been going on for decades now.

 

[TheKid]

IMHO

If someone is in your house, presumably against your will:

Who is a major threat to the safety or life/lives of you and anyone else in the house: you have full right to use lethal force.

Who intends to make off with your personal property: you have the right to use force as you see fit, provided it is not lethal (unless the intruder becomes violent)

 

[Ess en]

First, hes a criminal, its assumed the second you go out to confront him, its a dangerous situation and you are more than likely going ot have to defend yourself. The law here (Joe can correct me if I'm wrong, my lawyer-roommate is at work), is the other party has to strike you three times before its considered self defense, otherwise its just a fight. If hes holding a weapon, its different, but generally the law here is, let them take what they want, walk away, let the cops deal with it.

Wow, three times? I think that's the first thing about canadian law that I've specifically heard and didn't like haha. Not that I'm very familiar with canadian law.

Here, if someone even moves toward you, or does one of those "Hey I'm gonna lunge at you really fast and not actually do anything to see if you flinch 'cause I'm a douche bag" moves, then it's considered assault and you are able to start swinging. But you have to have some kind of reason to think that you're actually in danger. Edit: also, stomping on someone's head if they're already on the ground is assault with a deadly weapon or attempted murder. Makes sense seeing as how there's probably concrete under their head. Is this the same there?

The best thing I can think of as far as an example for running someone down who stole stuff is I had a couple friends who worked loss prevention at target. And while they technically weren't allowed to run anyone down after they got out of the doors of the store, that was a corporate rule. Not a state law.

Theres a reason why less-than-lethal weapons(stun guns/rock salt shotgun rounds, etc) are illegal, because you're only "qualified" to defend yourself for your own life, not to detain someone. That's a police job.

They JUST changed the laws on stun-guns here, about fucking time .

And yeah, here you can buy stun guns everywhere...