^^ Quite curious about it...
As far as I'm concerned, the cd format takes the cup.
Feel free to discuss.
As far as I'm concerned, the cd format takes the cup.
Feel free to discuss.
Your most utilized audio format?
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Novembers Paul
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I rip all my discs to AAC, or if I d/l something from somewhere other then itunes, it's mp3. With the ipod, I never use CDs anymore.
NvmbrsDoom5
Member
It's pretty much cds for me. Though I still pretty regularly listen to my cassette and vinyl collection.
Lionfrost
Bearer of the toque
CD takes up the main batch here, too. Checking out bands through MySpace of course involves MP3, as does most of the downloads. The latter tend to lead to CD purchase though, because I'm one of those old fashioned people who supports the bands and artists he appreciates through buying their actual albums. That, and I just love to have the CD in my collection, being able to look at the artwork, lyrics,... in an actual booklet that I didn't print on my inkjet first.
Also, I do rip a good few of my CDs to MP3 so I can play them in the car. I hate to have original releases in my car and temperatures these days remind me why. No-one ever puts their CDs in a sauna either, right? IMHO it's like throwing a book into a swimming pool.
Tapes and vinyl definitely take the back seat for me, to an extent that I'm giving away most of my original demos to an old underground friend of mine. I'm getting tired of having to haul those boxes along every time I move, LOL.
Also, I do rip a good few of my CDs to MP3 so I can play them in the car. I hate to have original releases in my car and temperatures these days remind me why. No-one ever puts their CDs in a sauna either, right? IMHO it's like throwing a book into a swimming pool.
Tapes and vinyl definitely take the back seat for me, to an extent that I'm giving away most of my original demos to an old underground friend of mine. I'm getting tired of having to haul those boxes along every time I move, LOL.
CD, of course.
The first albums I listened to were vinyls and cassettes. But my brother took all the vinyls when he got married, so I had to buy them at CD format.
The first albums I listened to were vinyls and cassettes. But my brother took all the vinyls when he got married, so I had to buy them at CD format.
dan of bereavement
shroud of bereavement
yeah cd's for me too, though i do have several thousands of songs on my computer(via pur label) and i too, had lugging around the tapes and records.
i have tapes for sale if anyone is interested wink wink!
i have tapes for sale if anyone is interested wink wink!
metalprof
Ken Luther
CDs. I'm always several years behind the state of the art. I have copied lots of CDs into MP3 so I can put them on my player and take it with me when I'm exercising or walking the dog. But I do that selectively. I haven't taken the complete leap into ripping all my CDs to the computer.
I'm still working on taking all my old LPs and recording them onto CD.
Ken
I'm still working on taking all my old LPs and recording them onto CD.
Ken
NvmbrsDoom5
Member
I don't even own a cd burner, I very rarely download anything. I'm old fashioned....but still not as bad as Nunez is!
Lionfrost
Bearer of the toque
I have to say downloading has proven to be a great way for me to learn about new bands. Well, bands new to me anyway. I am most likely not unique in that looking for MP3s on a band's website is typically the first thing I do. Pictures are generally second and biography third.
I already mentioned in the "New ND CD title inside..." thread how I prefer to download things to listen to or watch, rather than going with streaming, first and foremost because I like to be able to turn to these samples more than once and it's nice to be able to do so without having to look it up online again. Speaking of samples, I have to say I much prefer full songs - obviously. 30 second samples have the same effect on me as seeing a small corner of a painting, leaving you to wonder about what the rest of it looks like and whether this small piece is really representative at all.
I don't burn that stuff on CD though, at least not for much more than back-up purposes. Even my car-discography consists mostly of CDs I own that I ripped. That's also a reason why I so dislike extra security measures that are added to CDs I buy. Osmose did that with some of the Immortal re-issues (and probably other releases) and I had to bend over backwards to be able to copy that for personal use. Stuff like that irritates me. I guess I have the big illegal copying community to thank for that. Oh well.
I already mentioned in the "New ND CD title inside..." thread how I prefer to download things to listen to or watch, rather than going with streaming, first and foremost because I like to be able to turn to these samples more than once and it's nice to be able to do so without having to look it up online again. Speaking of samples, I have to say I much prefer full songs - obviously. 30 second samples have the same effect on me as seeing a small corner of a painting, leaving you to wonder about what the rest of it looks like and whether this small piece is really representative at all.
I don't burn that stuff on CD though, at least not for much more than back-up purposes. Even my car-discography consists mostly of CDs I own that I ripped. That's also a reason why I so dislike extra security measures that are added to CDs I buy. Osmose did that with some of the Immortal re-issues (and probably other releases) and I had to bend over backwards to be able to copy that for personal use. Stuff like that irritates me. I guess I have the big illegal copying community to thank for that. Oh well.
FrostGiant
Mr. Pibb > Dr. Pepper
I still buy cds but for the most part use my IPod. It's easier to bring the ipod to work than 6 to 10 cds.
Paul, knowing that you hate illegal mp3s with a passion, I would like to ask you something.
Say you release The Pale Haunt Departure in vinyl format, which I end up purchasing. Is it ok in your book to actually download the whole album from P2P (considering that I actually bought the vnyl edition)? I mean, since the sound quality on vinyl deteriates when played, one might want to listen to the actual album in mp3 to keep its original copy as clean as possible.
Say you release The Pale Haunt Departure in vinyl format, which I end up purchasing. Is it ok in your book to actually download the whole album from P2P (considering that I actually bought the vnyl edition)? I mean, since the sound quality on vinyl deteriates when played, one might want to listen to the actual album in mp3 to keep its original copy as clean as possible.
Novembers Paul
Member
Sadguru said:
You've got me wrong. I don't hate illegal mp3's at all. Illegal mp3's have pros and cons. In a bad way, CDs leak early, and then initial sales aren't as high, and in the long run, most of the people who say "I'll but this later" never do, as things come up in life, and you don't always have the extra money. It hurts sales in the end, and can cause a label to loose faith in the band, cutting recording budget, and overall support, and in many cases, dropping the band. In a positive light, I think they can be a great help to underground bands like us, where people may never buy the CD at first, but because they have D/Led it for free, now they love the band, and become a fan, maybe buying the back catalog, new discs, or merchandise.
I have no problem with downloading. I do it myself from time to time to check out new releases, or my impatience gets the best of me. The issue I have, if people showing huge disrespect to the band, by going on the band official forum, and bragging about stealing the leaked CD, and sometimes posting instructions on where others can steal it too. I see it this way, no one will be able to stop people from illegally downloading CDs, but people should at the very least have some decency to not rub it in the bands face. It' just wrong. Download it, enjoy it, buy it if you choose to support the band, but don't brag about being a thief.
If our new CD leaks, and I'm sure it will... I don't even have issue with people talking about the music on the forum, as long as there no mention of where it came from. We're not idiots, we know this will happen, but I'm not going to shut the forum down for months like some bands do, to keep the fans from being excited and talking about it. Just have respect, that's it.
Novembers Paul said:
Thanks for taking the time to clarify things. You are aware that many got your albums illegally, people you never heard of and probably never will. They don't frequent message board, even less brag about leaks on band's official forums. For them, it's one more free album to the list. How do you feel about it? For several reasons, I know I would be displeased.
Back to the initial question, would you feel ripped-off if one decide to "illegaly" download a November's Doom album, considering he purchased the vinyl edition? You can legally burn your original cd into mp3 for personnal use, but does it works the same way for vinyl? Does the band makes as much profit with a vinyl release? You bring a very good point when it comes to illegal music and the record label's faith in a band. Does the sales of a vinyl hold the same value in label's eye as a cd? That question might sound stupid, but my knowledge of how things works within a record label is very limited. You see, as a vinyl fan, the question arise: Why bother buying the cd version when I can buy the LP version and download the albums for personnal use". In either cases, I pay for the album right?
NvmbrsDoom5
Member
Sadguru said:
Okay I'll try to answer this for you as well, and throw my two cents in about this whole matter....
First of all, if someone purchased our vinyl lp as opposed to the cd, any way you slice it, you bought the album. Period. If you then go and download it so you can have a cd of it, or put it on your Ipod, or you burn it from a friend, etc., that's fine. It's all relative along with the idea of being "okay" to download a free album if you know you're going to buy it anyhow. But in the scenario you describe its even better because you bought the album first, regardless of what format it is. We certainly wouldn't expect people to have to buy multiple formats if it's not necessary.
And as for what we make on vinyl sales, I can't answer that really. For one thing, we don't have any vinyl yet (damn it!!!! I wish we did!). Secondly, I would presume that our royalties would be similar to what they are with cd sales, but it would depend on who put it out, number of copies printed, blah blah blah....
Ultimately, our issues with illegal downloading is not about money out of our own pockets. There's virtually no money that goes into our pockets from ND, really. Where things like that really affect us and counts is in terms of the label generating enough sales to be able to afford to give us our recording budget, artwork budget, touring budget, etc. Labels, especially non-major labels such as The End, cannot afford to give a band a good budget for these things if their cds don't sell. It's very hard already for a small band like ours to be able to take a step forward with each cd in terms of getting a better budget, the thing that really helps us is when the label sees that it's worth investing the money in us because we get good sales. For a band like ours to even lose a potential thousand or two cd sales due to illegal downloading really makes a difference. The profits from those lost sales could make the difference between us being able to afford travelling to Europe to tour, or make a new music video, etc. For bands like Metallica to lose even a hundred thousand sales due to downloading probably means that Lars has to drink a cheaper wine for a week or two LOL
I really do think though that being able to give the public some free music can really help a band too alot of times. I mean, like I've stated before, if someone downloads even half of our album, that's okay, because maybe they'll like it enough to want to buy the cd to hear the whole thing. I really like putting out songs on sampler cds like the Brave Words & Bloody Knuckles samplers, or putting up songs on our Myspace page and so on. But to me it's just not necessary to download all sorts of entire albums for free. It's just greedy. But at the same time, I can see how someone might not want to chance a purchase on hearing just one song (as we've seen mixed results about in other controversial threads on this forum). We're not the kind of band that you're going to "figure out" from hearing any one song of ours. So yeah, go ahead and download a few tunes, that's cool.
And yeah, announcing to everyone on a band's official forum that the cd is now able to be illegally downloaded somewhere online is not too cool. I'm mean truth is, people are going to find out anyhow, but it's just uncouth and impolite to do this on a band's forum. We aren't looking for mindless praise and asskissing, but I don't think it's unreasonable to just want people to use some sensability and manners when on our forum. But no we won't shut down the whole place and cry in the corner about it either haha I think most people here would have more courtesy towards us than to do that anyhow.
And personally, like I mentioned the other day, I don't really download much. If I hear about a new band or something, I'll check out their site or myspace page to listen to any song samples they might have up, yeah. But other than the occasional burned cd that someone passes along to me now and then, I usually just wait and purchase all my music on cd. Like the new Voivod for example. I could've bothered the label to give me a promo copy perhaps, or I could've downloaded it. But I want to wait until it comes out and go buy it, and have the experience of putting it on and listening to it fresh with the cd booklet and lyrics to read, etc. I enjoy that whole experience too much to just blow it by downloading it a month early. And I have too much respect for the band and our label to do that to them. But that's just me.
@Larry
Man, thanks for the input! Your answered many of my questions. I can't help but truly admire you guys dedication to November's Doom. I knew you couldn't make a living out of it but I had no idea the income was so low.
About the illegal burning issue, you totally speaked my mind. Music is sacred for me, it truly is. As you mentionned, the artwork as a whole is a multi-sensorial experience. When I see a whole work reduce to CDR or mp3, I can't help but feel deeply dissatisfied.
Man, thanks for the input! Your answered many of my questions. I can't help but truly admire you guys dedication to November's Doom. I knew you couldn't make a living out of it but I had no idea the income was so low.
About the illegal burning issue, you totally speaked my mind. Music is sacred for me, it truly is. As you mentionned, the artwork as a whole is a multi-sensorial experience. When I see a whole work reduce to CDR or mp3, I can't help but feel deeply dissatisfied.
Novembers Paul
Member
Sadguru said:
Here's my thoughts on this... When you buy Vinyl these days, it's more a collectors item, and a novelty. Some people enjoy the sound quality better, but in a realistic, and sonic sense, the crispness and clarity is not the same as a CD. So honestly, buying the LP version, does not give the right to download the CD version free of charge. It's of different quality. Now, if you bought the CD, then I think Downloading it as much s you want it fine, you still own the disc. But, like I said, I personally don't care, as long as it's not rubbed in my face.
Novembers Paul
Member
NvmbrsDoom5 said:
I can see that to a degree. I'm just not sure I'd say I'm OK with it, only because I think vinyl is such a limited thing these days, it's more a collectors item. The sound quality is not the same... Ahh, I dunno. I guess if you buy it once... It's a fine line. If someone is going to seek it out, and download it, they're going to do it anyway. Honestly, what I don't know, I won't worry about. hahaha
Novembers Paul said:
Doubts arise in my mind again hehe. Correct me if I'm wrong but the sound quality of a good quality vinyl is superior to any mp3 encoded in 320kbps or under. Can anyone confirms?
affinityband
Member
Novembers Paul said:
Vinyls (provided that it is played on a decent player, is kept in good condition) doesnt have that digital edge that a cd does. I for one prefer Vinyl, the instruments are alot more distinguishable due to warmth that is generally given in a vinyl format. It sounds much better, especially louder!
Novembers Paul
Member
affinityband said:
5 years ago, I would agree with you about the warmth of an analog recording, but that's not the case as much today. With the ability to record and master in HD, it's removed that "digital" hum and feel, and the sound is almost as pure as it is in the studio while recording it. The technology has changed, plus no pops and vinyl hiss. I have always prefered the sound to CD, even in it's primitave day.
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