live bootlegs ... not bad quality ... from Operation 2
http://www.queensryche.com/releases/operation-mindcrime-2/paraphernalia.html
http://www.queensryche.com/releases/operation-mindcrime-2/paraphernalia.html
2 new QR tracks
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anonymousnick2001
World's Greatest Vocalist
Erik
New Metal Member
IOfTheStorm
Gogol Bordello
1. The sound quality is to low to judge properly
2. The "style" is THERE. Kinda a mix of "Operation.." with "Promised Land".
3. "Hostage" sounds like it might be a really GREAT old school QR classic. "Im American" has the potentials for it.
4. Those who already know if the album will be good or not, may release a book of prophecies, make money and leave QR alone
2. The "style" is THERE. Kinda a mix of "Operation.." with "Promised Land".
3. "Hostage" sounds like it might be a really GREAT old school QR classic. "Im American" has the potentials for it.
4. Those who already know if the album will be good or not, may release a book of prophecies, make money and leave QR alone
General Zod
Ruler of Australia
Not going to listen. Not even when the CD comes out. This is a money grab, plain and simple. Remaking this disc now, without Chris, is heresy.
Zod
Zod
Demonspell
cheating the polygraph
I heard I'm American...not bad, but why do I get the feeling it's a post 9/11 love thy country anthem rewritten to fit the concept?
IOfTheStorm
Gogol Bordello
What you are saying it just a bunch of crap, "plain and simple".General Zod said:
Most people will say lots of crap about the album, i justify some though, then again i must not justify anyone because they are all pretending to be wise musical prophets, some already analyzing that riff on the album's fifth track. Demonspell even realized what the song is about from its title (yet failed to think that QR were always ironical/sarcastic about these things).. Zod already says that he's not even gonna listen to it (and of course we know that he will eventually), and most people already know that this album is gonna be crap.
In the end .. if it really is a "money grab", i DONT FUCKING CARE. I dont judge the album's music, thinking the possibility of a "fair and noble cause" behind it, but listening to ITS MUSIC. Until then.. you may all imagine whatever you want, but keep it to yourself..we dont want anymore "music knowitall fathers"
Dark One
The Tainted Dogma
General Zod said:
I understand what you're saying here, but I'll at least give it a listen and judge from there. If it's good, I don't care that it's a release without integrity. I'm a fan, I want to hear good music, that's my end. It's all Tate anyway, he's the reason why QR went from "god-like" metal status to a bunch of jokes. But again, if the new release is good, I'll say it's good and listen to it. It doesn't mean my opinion of Tate or what QR has done since 1994 will change or anything. Tate won't all of a sudden become worthy of total respect; but I'm not going to cheat myself out of potentially good music based purely on his motives.
Tate's like a precursor to Anders Friden in terms of insisting that what the band is doing after dramitically changing their style and pissing of their hardcore fans is somehow still meaningful. But if In Flames released an album that was comparable to Whoracle or Clayman, hell yeah I'd listen attentively.
Of course, underlying all this, is the reality that the new album will most likely suck the teets off a womp rat.
IOfTheStorm
Gogol Bordello
You are clueless. Plus you dont even know what you are talking about. Plus what you say is utter crap. Plus you have opeth lyrics in your signature.Dark One said:
Dark One
The Tainted Dogma
IOfTheStorm said:
Is there supposed to be a
after this or not? If not, please explain your position. Thanks.The Opeth lyrics connect to my screen name by the way - that's why they're there.
NAD
What A Horrible Night To Have A Curse
I don't care about this crap because I've only listened to Operation: Mindcrime like 6 times, but this:
makes me totally gay for our resident Greek.IOfTheStorm said:
IOfTheStorm
Gogol Bordello
Of course there is not. I normally wouldnt bother to explain my position when the other person is just saying crap, but since i "respect" this forum:Dark One said:Is there supposed to be a
WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SAYING HERE? First of all QR never CARED to have a "metal status" neither cared if some people (me included) thought of them as having "god like metal status". As i have said zillion times before, they always did what they wanted to do (only driven by musical expression), we liked it more then, we (you?, i like Q2k, and i like "Tribe" very much) dont like it now. Thats how it is.
Even things are how you say they are.. why do you blame Tate and only Tate for it? The one responsible for the musical direction in "Hear In The Now Frontier" was DeGarmo. If the QR music was composed mainly by like .. 3 people, Tate was the third to make decisions about it.
"A Bunch Of Jokes" ? Why? Because they are not playing what YOU like? Because they dont care to satisfy their fans, but only themselves (as they have proven so much in the past - before 1995, that much that noone can question it)?
And why Tate lost your (important isnt it) respect? Because he said that he never really listened to metal? Thats the truth and he was saying he doesnt really listen to metal even when the first albums were released. If not that, then WHAT?
I leave out of the table that you compare what Tate says with what Friden says, like they have the same history behind them, the same influential value, and the same right to claim some things. What QR are doing is meaningfull to THEM. This is obvious, especially for Tate (just read the lyrics of the recent albums). About "pissing their hardcore fans", what hardcore fans? I know people who claim they are "hardcore fans" but they hate "Empire" or "Promised Land", some other "hardcore fans" hate the EP or "The Warning" etc etc. In the end a "hardcore fan" is a fan of Queensryche, their innovation, their denial to remain stable, he is amazed by the changes this band went through even when commercial success was hitting their door (and they slammed that door back with releasing their absolute non commercial album : "Promised Land".). A "hardcore fan" for me can see how certain songs on "Tribe" and even on "Q2K" have the feeling and QR signature ALL OVER THEM, not whine about his band being not what HE wants.
Dark One
The Tainted Dogma
All I can say is that you have your head completely up your ass on this one. You are WAY overanalyzing the points I was making. The In Flames comparison (which I explained in my post) came from the FACT that both bands made MAJOR stylistic changes that pissed off their hardcore longtime fans. As far as Tate is concerned - if you don't think that he has been the impetus behind the direction the band took after the Empire album, you have not been paying attention very closely.
I've seen plenty of crap spew from your anti-U.S. mouth as well. Nice avatar by the way.
I've seen plenty of crap spew from your anti-U.S. mouth as well. Nice avatar by the way.
Dark One
The Tainted Dogma
And by the way Mr. "Holier than thou" genius. In case you didn't get the main point of my post, it was this: I'm not going to dismiss the new album before hearing it, simply because I haven't liked the direction of the band in the last ten years, or because of the possibility that they are trying to cash in on one of the biggest and most well respected albums the progressive/power metal genre has ever seen.
IOfTheStorm
Gogol Bordello
Hm you succeeded in editing your post, pity and you just wrote that first sentence in the beginning
If you cant stand overanalyzing, then dont ask me to do it. I already explained my points with facts while you just imply things like "you are not paying attention very closely"
And yes do you want us to talk about my anti-usISM ? I fuckin LOVE it. Obviously you "were not paying attention closely" when QR used videos of burning USA flags in their live shows.
If you cant stand overanalyzing, then dont ask me to do it. I already explained my points with facts while you just imply things like "you are not paying attention very closely"
And yes do you want us to talk about my anti-usISM ? I fuckin LOVE it. Obviously you "were not paying attention closely" when QR used videos of burning USA flags in their live shows.
cthulufhtagn
Went Out for Smokes 13 Years Ago
IOfTheStorm
Gogol Bordello
General Zod
Ruler of Australia
You're entitled to your opinion.IOfTheStorm said:
As per usual, your comments make very little sense.IOfTheStorm said:
Whether you choose to believe me or not is obviously your perrogative. I said I'm not going to listen, and I won't. "Mindcrime" is my favorite CD of all-time, and I want nothing to tarnish it. Hearing how the story ends, from a band no longer creative enough to tell the story, would only serve to tarnish the original. I have no problem with someone who disagrees with my stance. However, in an ideal world, they would do so in an intelligent, cohernet manner.IOfTheStorm said:
What exactly do you believe musical forums are for, if not discussing opinions on music?IOfTheStorm said:
Zod
General Zod
Ruler of Australia
IOfTheStorm
Gogol Bordello
Zod: i wont bother explaining further what i mean, if you can get it ok, if you wont ok (to alter mighty Frank's saying). And by the way, yes i can see how a bad sequel will alter the music of the original Mindcrime and ruin it. Like a bad sequel of a great movie, changes the greatness and how u like the original move, WTF are you saying man...
But to this :
But to this :
Yes and thats why i think that most people's comments about Mindcrime II are funny, they are already discussing and analyzing music THEY NEVER LISTENED.
