Dak
mentat
Government reappropriation programs like Social Security and Welfare hurt, not help society. The US government needs to go bankrupt. We are merely delaying the inevitable by raising the debt ceiling.
2012 Presidential election thread
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Jimmy... Dead.
contemplative curmudgeon
Hey Peter Joseph, answer my question I posed a page ago. What views of Ron Paul are batshit (your claim) and why
Don't avoid it, show us you have a brain or just chill with the empty statements.
Don't avoid it, show us you have a brain or just chill with the empty statements.
MasterOLightning
Optimator
I do think that people who are wholly against the major party candidates should vote for a third party or write-in candidate, regardless of whether they really agree with them.
When you don't vote, analysts can't make any sense of what you think. They don't know if you are totally apathetic, or were too busy, or were part of the majority/minority whose outcome in that election was not in doubt. If enough people with alternative views show that they care enough to vote, parties may try to cater to them more, or alternative candidates may emerge. This is more likely on a local level.
Recently there was an election for alderman in my neighborhood, since the incumbent took a promotion. Rahm Emanuel's favored candidate was the expected winner, but an independent busted his ass on the campaign and beat the machine candidate, becoming the first Asian-American alderman in Chicago. Campaign promises included accepting half his salary and self-imposing term-limits. I really think it's important to at least vote in local politics. Even if you aren't finding a guy who is 100% agreeable, you won't do any worse overall than what was there before.
When you don't vote, analysts can't make any sense of what you think. They don't know if you are totally apathetic, or were too busy, or were part of the majority/minority whose outcome in that election was not in doubt. If enough people with alternative views show that they care enough to vote, parties may try to cater to them more, or alternative candidates may emerge. This is more likely on a local level.
Recently there was an election for alderman in my neighborhood, since the incumbent took a promotion. Rahm Emanuel's favored candidate was the expected winner, but an independent busted his ass on the campaign and beat the machine candidate, becoming the first Asian-American alderman in Chicago. Campaign promises included accepting half his salary and self-imposing term-limits. I really think it's important to at least vote in local politics. Even if you aren't finding a guy who is 100% agreeable, you won't do any worse overall than what was there before.
Badbird
Never banned
First off, who gives the fuck what the analyist think about our votes. To know the person that not voting, ask them if it's apathetic in the system or just no candidate that he thinks has the chance of doing fine job in office. The average person opinion of a politican is often low. Especially congress, which in historical approval ratings compare to the president of the time, has lower ratings then the commander in chief ratings. I would make voting day either holiday or just put it on a Saturday/Sunday. The problems with Saturday/Sunday is most churches services star on the weekend and then there football. Who knows if advice fans of the sport would come show up in the ballot and cast their votes to whoever is their preference nomination/issue that they can stand behind. Churches and sports staidums should have ballots across the area, so those that are focusing on the annual church meeting or at the game can vote. Let's just make election day a holiday. Hey, Australia has it's election day national holiday, why not the U.S.
Second off, NOTA opinion would hurt our so called "Democracy". I would choose a simple test about the government and then see how well knowledge they know about the candidate the voter casting for.
Third, who in your opinon is the worst candidate running for the Republicans? Rick Perry is scaring me at the moment and if he was taken serious, Rick Santorum would top my list.
Matt
Active Member
So you'd rather just let poor people die from hunger in the streets?
And how the fuck does social security hurt society? People have been paying for that basically all their lives. It's an earned benefit, not an 'entitlement' like Republishits call it.
Why do I even read your posts? You're just a coldhearted anarchist. Why don't you move somewhere that is indeed lawless and see how you like it.
SentinelSlain
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J.
Old Fart
Mathiäs;9923214 said:
One rotten apple spoils the bunch. Keep in mind there are people fully capable of holding down a job, but are too lazy to do so. In my mind, yes, let these individuals starve.
Great! I can't wait until I get my SS. Oh, yeah, by the time I retire, the retirement age will probably be 80 and SS will be bankrupt. So, I'd rather keep my money than pay for some old farts to freeload off of me. Doesn't seem too fair.
Draehl
Lurker
There's nothing wrong the with social security program. The problem is sorry politicians on both sides that have dipped into the fund for other shit we REALLY didn't need.
Really, for that matter, while pure capitalism is a better system certain forms of socialism aren't as bad as many would make them out to be. The problem is that Obama and his cronies are far, FAR less interested in helping the poor than they are sticking it to the rich.
Really, for that matter, while pure capitalism is a better system certain forms of socialism aren't as bad as many would make them out to be. The problem is that Obama and his cronies are far, FAR less interested in helping the poor than they are sticking it to the rich.
Mort Divine
Shrine Maiden of the In-Crowd
Dak
mentat
Mathiäs;9923214 said:
Totally bro, because nothing good happens without the government making it happen. What was I thinking?
Mathiäs;9923214 said:
No, it is a tax, and the money is spent as it comes in. Also, there are people drawing Social Security who never paid in. It isn't a "retirement fund". It is a reappropriations tax, that with broader eligibility. The money that is paid in has no chance to be better invested. It is taken through coercion, squandered by beaurocracy, and then some of the elderly and a bunch of lazy people get a small check cut to them. So wonderful.
Mathiäs;9923214 said:
Law =/= tax(theft)funded beaurocratic government.
V.V.V.V.V.
Houses Ov Mercury
just fyi dude, tax does not incontrovertibly mean theft
vs.
those aren't the same. if you think they are it's probably because you just suck at comprehending things.
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those aren't the same. if you think they are it's probably because you just suck at comprehending things.
Der Morgenstern
Trailer Park Bacchus
I, for one, would love to see those laws upheld and enforced by authorities if one didn't have that so-called 'theft'.
V.V.V.V.V.
Houses Ov Mercury
that is true as well. without a public law-enforcement agency providing publicly-funded, well...law-enforcement, you basically end up with a mercenary-ish sellsword system where enforcers would be bought by the highest bidder and people who rightfully deserved protection would not get it. doesn't sound like a particularly nice flipside to the whole "taxes funding public services" thingy.
zerostatic
Damned in Flames
I agree with this. Some of you may recall that when Mr. Bush ran for the presidency in 2000 he championed eliminating Social Security and allowing individuals to invest the money in the stock market. Since the dot-com bust in around 2000-2001 I can't recall any politicians supporting this idea.
I share Dakryn's concern about the number of people drawing social security benefits who have never paid in. I fear the number of people depending on taxpayers to survive will continue to increase. So much for survival of the fittest.
SentinelSlain
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Why the fuck do most Americans worship capitalism so much anyway? Even people in post communist countries tend to have more positive feelings towards socialism than Americans. I've come to feel that it's more a reaction to right wing propaganda than anything.
Dak
mentat
The only difference is who is doing the demanding. They are both coercive, and therefore, wrong. It's amazing all the reprehensible shit that is done that people turn a blind eye to, or even cheer, merely due to a title, badge, or uniform.
Jimmy... Dead.
contemplative curmudgeon
Because Capitalism is the only moral social system (if done right) that works.
That's exactly your problem. You're not thinking.
Einherjar86
Active Member
Draehl
Lurker
Capitalism, to me, seems much more in line with nature- embracing our strengths and weaknesses while socialism is much more artificial. Either in a 100% pure form is dangerous. Capitalism can let a small group of people grow too powerful and suppress the rest while socialism keeps society as a whole down due to a lack of incentive for innovation and effort.
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