4 More Years!!!!!!
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the_drip
Martriden K
the_drip
Martriden K
Dred
His Dudeness
Tut Ankh Amon said:actually you're not fucked at all
the rest of the world is
no we're all fucked because im gonna be the one drafted in order to invade your ass in brazil.
and IMO kerry was 1000000x better than bush. i like kerry, i like what he stands for, i think hes a very logical and intelligent man, and he would have made a great president.....but we are all fucked now.
my predictions for the next 4 years:
-draft
-banning of abortions and same sex marriage
-more failed wars
-economic slump
-more secrecy and privacy invasion
...and so many more. i feel like total shit right now.
Abrasive-X
Sexy Guitarist
TheSeldomlaid
Waffle Wizard
Abrasive-X said:
What arguments have you got for that mental illness-theory of yours?
And what's wrong with abortion?
HalfpintHenkka
OriginalHalfpintyGoodness
i agree with Abrasive-X...abortion is wrong. when somebody gets an abortion, they're killing a human life. no matter how small the fetus is, it's a human from the moment it is conceived. if society looks at murdering grown children and adults as something that is bad, then they should also consider abortion to be bad too, because it's still murder- it's taking the lives of defenseless human beings. they may be unborn and the size of a hamster but they are still humans.
the_drip
Martriden K
if government can start wars and mass murder millions of people then a family/person can decide whether or not to keep a kid or not. to some people a childs life is death.
HalfpintHenkka
OriginalHalfpintyGoodness
look, i'm not saying that people can't decide whether or not they should keep their children. everyone has their own free will and can do whatever the hell they want to do with/in their lives. i'm aware of that. but what ticks me off the most about abortion is that people who do it are looking for an easy way out of the consquences of their own actions, and will do anything to get out of those consquences- even if it means KILLING THEIR OWN CHILD. if you don't want to keep the kid, you don't have to kill it. you can always put it up for adoption.
TheSeldomlaid
Waffle Wizard
HalfpintHenkka said:
What if you are raped and end up pregnant? What if the prevention you use doesn't work? What if you simply can't take care of the kid, what if having a baby will ruin not only your life, but make the kid's life a misery?
Abortion should most definately be allowed. Why is it better to just toss the kid away, refusing to acknowledge it? How would you feel if you found out you were adopted, that your parents had put you away because they didn't want you?
-Rivfader-
Klingons on Uranus
Good Lord.
You people do not know anything. Most of you that hate Bush and are Americans probably didn't even vote, you just take what your peers/parents/media tell you for granted.
Bush has done wonders for this country. If you think our economy is shitty then you are poorly misinformed due to the left leaning media. Bush cleaned up Clinton's garbage. Clinton left Bush with an economy going into a recession, poorly underfunded intelligence agencies, and much more bullshit.
I think its funny that most of you think you are going to get drafted. Did you even watch the debates, Bush said no draft, volunteer military.I guess you spent your time watching MTV's Rock the Vote? People there isn't going to be a draft. http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/06/draft.ap/
Bush has liberated two terrorists safe havens. Afgahnistan just voted in their first President. We have killed many insurgents and bad men in Iraq. 75% of Al-Qaeda's top officials have been killed or captured. Yes Hussien had ties to terrorism, so don't give me that bull. http://www.husseinandterror.com/
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/06/iraq.wmd.un.vouchers.ap/index.html
What is funny is we have been under attack by these mideastern terrorists since 1979, but we havn't done shit about it untill now.
You people do not know anything. Most of you that hate Bush and are Americans probably didn't even vote, you just take what your peers/parents/media tell you for granted.
Bush has done wonders for this country. If you think our economy is shitty then you are poorly misinformed due to the left leaning media. Bush cleaned up Clinton's garbage. Clinton left Bush with an economy going into a recession, poorly underfunded intelligence agencies, and much more bullshit.
I think its funny that most of you think you are going to get drafted. Did you even watch the debates, Bush said no draft, volunteer military.I guess you spent your time watching MTV's Rock the Vote? People there isn't going to be a draft. http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/06/draft.ap/
Bush has liberated two terrorists safe havens. Afgahnistan just voted in their first President. We have killed many insurgents and bad men in Iraq. 75% of Al-Qaeda's top officials have been killed or captured. Yes Hussien had ties to terrorism, so don't give me that bull. http://www.husseinandterror.com/
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/06/iraq.wmd.un.vouchers.ap/index.html
What is funny is we have been under attack by these mideastern terrorists since 1979, but we havn't done shit about it untill now.
HalfpintHenkka
OriginalHalfpintyGoodness
TheSomberlain said:
A. obviously there will be situations where things are beyond your control/not your choice. obviously if a woman is raped and she gets pregnant, it's not her fault. however, on the other hand, if she is in a normal situation, as is often the case, then it's not justified that she should kill the consquence of the actions she took willingly while knowing what could happen even with protection. if you're not ready for the responsibilities of a parent, don't tempt fate.
B. at least when you put a child up for adoption, you're giving the child a chance to live their life. and really- the reason why you're here and i'm here and everyone else on this board is here is because they were given that chance. imagine if a good friend of yours had been aborted instead of being allowed to live...or even if you yourself had been aborted?
Axana
Stygian_Raven
Americans are idiots...how could they vote for bush...for 4 years they made fun of him and everybody was against his ideas and now they went and voted for him................................................shis!!! bush promised he'll be a uniter not a divider...
soon because of him and other idiots like bush the american"empire"will collapse THIS IS SICK!!!
TheSeldomlaid
Waffle Wizard
HalfpintHenkka said:
A: In other words, do not have sex, as that may, if you're really unlucky, put you in a situation you don't want to be in? I don't find that argument good enough. That's like telling people not to drive cars, cause they may actually run someone over. Everyone who has sex (or at least most of them) are aware that things may go wrong, should they not be allowed to have a security net if things really went bad?
B: Many people live in misery when they find out they've been adopted. Some of them end their lives because of this feeling of rejection. Is a life in misery better than no life at all? I can imagine a lot of my friends being aborted, I would probably never have noticed, as my life would not be anything near what it is today. I could never have missed them if they were never born.
HalfpintHenkka
OriginalHalfpintyGoodness
look, maybe you're not reading in between the lines here. i'm NOT saying that people SHOULD NOT have sex and i'm NOT telling people that they MUST do EVERYTHING according to what i say. i'm NOT trying control the way people think and act, i'm JUST SPEAKING MY MIND and i DON'T see what's so wrong about it. everyone has their own life and their own free will, i respect that; i'm just speaking up for what I BELIEVE IN, as are the rest of you around here. last time i checked, it wasn't illegal to speak one's mind. i may not be out of my teens yet and i may not have had to go through this stuff, but that doesn't mean i'm not entitled to believe in something and to stand up for my own beliefs. so don't go putting me down and ragging me out for saying what i've chosen to think and believe.
TheSeldomlaid
Waffle Wizard
HalfpintHenkka said:
I'm not putting you down or ragging you out, and I respect your opinions. But I attack them as well, as is usual when discussing a subject, by putting forth my views of the matter, and finding weaknesses (as I see them) in your arguments.
the_drip
Martriden K
Most people who support George Bush believe that he has not only made America safer, but that his policies will keep us safe in the future. These are good reasons to vote for a president, since safety is an important concern, especially in this post-9/11 era. But this idea of safety deserves a closer look. What is the real danger? Has Bush reduced the danger? Have his policies helped ensure a safer future? The answer, in each case, is more complicated than you might think.
America has never witnessed a more horrific sight than the collapse of the World Trade Center. Only the most hardened among us were unafraid in the hours and days following the attacks. Death shocks us, whether it be an automobile accident, a house fire, a drive-by shooting, or an airplane crash, and death on a large scale is more than most of us can stand. But the 9/11 attacks, as monumental as they were, should be seen in a broader context. We are, for instance, more likely to die in an automobile accident than by terrorist attack. We are more likely to be struck by lightning than by terrorists. We are more likely to die from heart disease or cancer. Yet none of these scare us the way random violence does. George Bush, fully aware of our fear, has stoked it. A thousand times he and his administration have reminded us of the danger, raising the alert level, leaking unsubstantiated news at opportune times, and using it constantly in his campaign for reelection.
We have not seen a major attack on America since 9/11, so we might conclude that Bush has conquered the terrorists, driven them into hiding. But all the evidence suggests otherwise. Bin Laden is known for waiting for years between major attacks, so it should surprise no one that we have been attack free in this country. Furthermore, Bush is fond of saying that it's better to fight the terrorists "over there" rather than in America, implying that his wars against Afghanistan and Iraq have somehow kept the terrorists at bay. While it's true that the training camps in Afghanistan are now empty, and while it's true that our troops are being attacked regularly in Iraq (dozens of times each day), there is no evidence that terrorism is "on the run." In fact, experts agree that worldwide terrorism has increased; even the Bush administration has now admitted as much, after publishing a misleading document to the contrary.
Finally, our future will be safer if fewer people hate America. And they don't "hate our freedoms" as Bush suggests. They hate our power and influence in the Mideast and our unwavering support for Israel as they bulldoze the Palestinians. So, although George Bush wants you to believe that terrorists will always hate us, changes in our foreign policy have the potential to reduce hatred, and therefore attacks by terrorists.
Even the mightiest military the world has ever seen cannot kill all the terrorists, so a policy with that as a goal -- the George Bush policy -- is doomed to fail. We have already seen the effects. Polls have consistently shown a dramatic and consistent increase in anti-Americanism, in every country but two: Russia and Israel. Most of the world now hates America. And it was not so on September 12, 2001. Then, all the world was with us (with some exceptions). But that goodwill has not only been squandered; it has been turned into hate, primarily through Bush's invasion of Iraq. The irony is astounding: Bush has created terrorists in his attempts to kill them.
The danger Bush stokes is less than he pretends, his claim that he has kept us safer is only a mirage, and his policies will create havoc in the future. If you still choose to be afraid, think about exactly what it is that scares you. For me, it's another four years of George Bush.
America has never witnessed a more horrific sight than the collapse of the World Trade Center. Only the most hardened among us were unafraid in the hours and days following the attacks. Death shocks us, whether it be an automobile accident, a house fire, a drive-by shooting, or an airplane crash, and death on a large scale is more than most of us can stand. But the 9/11 attacks, as monumental as they were, should be seen in a broader context. We are, for instance, more likely to die in an automobile accident than by terrorist attack. We are more likely to be struck by lightning than by terrorists. We are more likely to die from heart disease or cancer. Yet none of these scare us the way random violence does. George Bush, fully aware of our fear, has stoked it. A thousand times he and his administration have reminded us of the danger, raising the alert level, leaking unsubstantiated news at opportune times, and using it constantly in his campaign for reelection.
We have not seen a major attack on America since 9/11, so we might conclude that Bush has conquered the terrorists, driven them into hiding. But all the evidence suggests otherwise. Bin Laden is known for waiting for years between major attacks, so it should surprise no one that we have been attack free in this country. Furthermore, Bush is fond of saying that it's better to fight the terrorists "over there" rather than in America, implying that his wars against Afghanistan and Iraq have somehow kept the terrorists at bay. While it's true that the training camps in Afghanistan are now empty, and while it's true that our troops are being attacked regularly in Iraq (dozens of times each day), there is no evidence that terrorism is "on the run." In fact, experts agree that worldwide terrorism has increased; even the Bush administration has now admitted as much, after publishing a misleading document to the contrary.
Finally, our future will be safer if fewer people hate America. And they don't "hate our freedoms" as Bush suggests. They hate our power and influence in the Mideast and our unwavering support for Israel as they bulldoze the Palestinians. So, although George Bush wants you to believe that terrorists will always hate us, changes in our foreign policy have the potential to reduce hatred, and therefore attacks by terrorists.
Even the mightiest military the world has ever seen cannot kill all the terrorists, so a policy with that as a goal -- the George Bush policy -- is doomed to fail. We have already seen the effects. Polls have consistently shown a dramatic and consistent increase in anti-Americanism, in every country but two: Russia and Israel. Most of the world now hates America. And it was not so on September 12, 2001. Then, all the world was with us (with some exceptions). But that goodwill has not only been squandered; it has been turned into hate, primarily through Bush's invasion of Iraq. The irony is astounding: Bush has created terrorists in his attempts to kill them.
The danger Bush stokes is less than he pretends, his claim that he has kept us safer is only a mirage, and his policies will create havoc in the future. If you still choose to be afraid, think about exactly what it is that scares you. For me, it's another four years of George Bush.
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