? about Dimmu Borgir

[Beoftw]

Curious, i am a fan. but i don't think they should be classified as black metal. or at least thats what i assume most people classify them as.

do u think they would be more accepted by the bm society if they were considered to be in a different genre?

 

[Kulak]

pop metal.

 

[mutantllama]

Satanpop

 

[Kulak]

Satanpop

lol

 

[Vossyrus]

Just the same, you can argue that many notable black metal bands aren't completely black metal. What's the point?

It's actually amusing how people make such a fuss over Dimmu Borgir not being black metal enough. Yet, there's hundreds of black metal bands considered to be "avant-garde", "experimental", "industrial" black metal or "post-black metal" that are just as far removed from the genre's roots as Dimmu.

And where do you even draw the line? Do you have to be at least 51% black metal? 66.6% black metal? Or do you have to 100% black metal? Is there actually an objective way to calculate how black metal a band really is? This sounds pretty ridiculous doesn't it?

 

[The Butt]

Trying to argue that Dimmu is still in any way black metal is utterly retarded tbh. They don't follow any BM aesthetics at all nowadays, it's downtuned chugga-chugga bullshit with double-bass.

My thoughts on newer Dimmu in general, can be summed up in my Metal-Archives review for Dimmu Borgir's Stormblast MMV. Specifically the last sentence.

 

[Vossyrus]

It's obvious Dimmu abandoned much of their black metal roots a long time ago and took upon a much more ambitious and less limiting path much like Emperor tried to do, of course going in their own respective directions. In both cases I believe the quality of the music suffered but credit to them for sticking to what they wanted to do. With Abrahadabra, I think Dimmu's sound somewhat strayed even from metal itself placing much more emphasis on symphony, and adding in choir.

But my point is that this topic has been discussed ad nauseum and for whatever reason continues to be discussed any time the band's name is mentioned. And it solves nothing every single time!

I'm not saying it is unwarranted to discuss a band's departure from a genre but it's highly hypocritical given the amount of black metal bands who do not endure this massive headache of genre debate when their names are mentioned, regardless if they too have distanced themselves from genre cliches, and fail to live up to a pathetic criteria upheld by narrow-minded idiots. It's the same principle, but people will naturally criticize this negatively in bands they don't like while they will praise and embrace this in bands they do like. If you didn't realize Dimmu had no intention of staying withing genre limits, over a decade ago, I'm really not sure what to say to you in 2010. Does this really, still make for a relevant topic these days?

 

[Thoth-Amon]

Curious, i am a fan. but i don't think they should be classified as black metal. or at least thats what i assume most people classify them as.

do u think they would be more accepted by the bm society if they were considered to be in a different genre?

i think their 90s stuff should definitely be considered black metal... or a permutation thereof (symphonic if you will). their sound has become less and less so as the albums have progressed though elements of it are obviously still there.in any case i've pretty much lost interest in keeping up with the band... black metal or not.

 

[sevag00]

They started as a symphonic/melodic black metal. As they progressed, they became less and less black metal. But to this day, they still have some black metal roots in their music.

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[Kara-Shehr]

Who cares what genre they are at this point. They are not a black metal band anymore though but like I said who gives a shit at this point, you either like them or you don't. Another worn out topic for people to argue over.