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File this one under DUH, but it has some nifty statistics and such.

Poll: Religious Devotion High in U.S.

By RACHEL ZOLL, AP Religion Writer Mon Jun 6, 7:33 AM ET

Religious devotion sets the United States apart from some of its closest allies. Americans profess unquestioning belief in God and are far more willing to mix faith and politics than people in other countries, AP-Ipsos polling found.

In Western Europe, where Pope Benedict XVI complains that growing secularism has left churches unfilled on Sundays, people are the least devout among the 10 countries surveyed for The Associated Press by Ipsos.

Only Mexicans come close to Americans in embracing faith, the poll found. But unlike Americans, Mexicans strongly object to clergy lobbying lawmakers, in line with the nation's historical opposition to church influence.

"In the United States, you have an abundance of religions trying to motivate Americans to greater involvement," said Roger Finke, a sociologist at Penn State University. "It's one thing that makes a tremendous difference here."

The polling was conducted in May in the United States, Australia, Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Mexico,
South Korea and Spain.

Nearly all U.S. respondents said faith is important to them and only 2 percent said they do not believe in God. Almost 40 percent said religious leaders should try to sway policymakers, notably higher than in other countries.

"Our nation was founded on Judeo-Christian policies and religious leaders have an obligation to speak out on public policy, otherwise they're wimps," said David Black, a retiree from Osborne, Pa., who agreed to be interviewed after he was polled.

In contrast, 85 percent of French object to clergy activism — the strongest opposition of any nation surveyed. France has strict curbs on public religious expression and, according to the poll, 19 percent are atheists. South Korea is the only other nation with that high a percentage of nonbelievers.

Australians are generally split over the importance of faith, while two-thirds of South Koreans and Canadians said religion is central to their lives. People in all three countries strongly oppose mixing religion and politics.

Researchers disagree over why people in the United States have such a different religious outlook, said Brent Nelsen, an expert in politics and religion at Furman University in South Carolina.

Some say rejecting religion is a natural response to modernization and consider the United States a strange exception to the trend. Others say Europe is the anomaly; people in modernized countries inevitably return to religion because they yearn for tradition, according to the theory.

Some analysts, like Finke, use a business model. According to his theory, a long history of religious freedom in the United States created a greater supply of worship options than in other countries, and that proliferation inspired wider observance. Some European countries still subsidize churches, in effect regulating or limiting religious options, Finke said.

History also could be a factor.

Many countries other than the United States have been through bloody religious conflict that contributes to their suspicion of giving clergy any say in policy.

A variety of factors contribute to the sentiment about separating religion and politics.

"In Germany, they have a Christian Democratic Party, and they talk about Christian values, but they don't talk about them in quite the same way that we do," Nelsen said. "For them, the Christian part of the Christian values are held privately and it's not that acceptable to bring those out into the open."

In Spain, where the government subsidizes the Catholic Church, and in Germany, which is split between Catholics and Protestants, people are about evenly divided over whether they consider faith important. The results are almost identical in Britain, whose state church, the Church of England, is struggling to fill pews.

Italians are the only European exception in the poll. Eighty percent said religion is significant to them and just over half said they unquestioningly believe in God.

But even in Italy, home to the Catholic Church, resistance to religious engagement in politics is evident. Only three in 10 think the clergy should try to influence government decisions; a lower percentage in Spain, Germany and England said the same.

Within the United States, some of the most pressing policy issues involve complex moral questions — such as gay marriage, abortion and stem cell research — that understandably draw religious leaders into public debate, said John Green, an expert on religion and politics at the University of Akron.

The poll found Republicans are much more likely than Democrats to think clergy should try to influence government decisions — a sign of the challenges ahead for Democrats as they attempt to reach out to more religious voters.

"Rightly or wrongly, Republicans tend to perceive religion as, quote-unquote, `on their side,'" Green said.

The survey did find trends in belief that transcend national boundaries. Women tend to be more devout than men, and older people have stronger faith than younger people.

The Associated Press-Ipsos polls of about 1,000 adults in each of the 10 countries were taken May 12-26. Each has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 3 percentage points.

Poll results are available at:

http://wid.ap.org/polls/050606religion.html
 
Yeah, a recent poll said that around 61% of people agreed with stem cell research. It also said that (a rather more shocking) 57% of people believed in creationism and thought it should be taught as well as evolution in schools (and something like 30% though that it should be taught instead of evolution :eek: ). Scary place, America.
 
Yeah I knew people in high school that said "well if we're going to learn about evolution, we should learn about creationism, too!" IN A FUCKING BIOLOGY CLASS!!!
 
Ifurin said:
It also said that (a rather more shocking) 57% of people believed in creationism and thought it should be taught as well as evolution in schools (and something like 30% though that it should be taught instead of evolution :eek: ). Scary place, America.

Yeah, but for some dumbfuck reason, half the country either refuses (or is too pathetic) to vote and so you end up with this image that everyone is a redneck hick. In my day to day dealings, it's not like I'm surrounded by all these right wing zealots, but unfortunately those are the ones that seem most enthused to vote and end up representing the country.

My theory: If you took every American over the age of 18 and forced them to vote, Bush would have been obliterated in the popular vote. But then you've got this electoral vote nonsense so it doesn't even matter anyway.
 
yea, there are way more registered democrats than registered republicans, but bush managed to win. kerry ran a really super great campaign too, how can you lose when your campaign is based on "i'm not the other guy"? right? :rolleyes: fuck politicians, 99% of them are completely full of shit. especially arnold. fuck arnold.
 
What I don't understand is why the middle class would vote Republican, regardless of ideals because outside a few distinct issues Dems and Reps are pretty much the same. I mean the GOP might as well change their logo from the elephant to this dude:

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Well, unless you hate fagz of course, then I guess voting for a Dem would be like murdering babies or abortion clinic doctors. Oh wait... :rolleyes:
 
or at least, until I saw his new proposal to cut back on global warming and greenhouse gases...he obviously hasn't gotten the Republican talking points that global warming doesn't exist.
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In a decision that will no doubt set a standard for the rest of the country to follow, California Governator Arnold Schwarzenegger announced yesterday that his state will be moving aggressively to reduce the emission of greenhouse gases. According to Schwarzenegger, this will be accomplished primarily through the abolition of drive-through Mexican fast food restaurants.
 
lizard said:
In a decision that will no doubt set a standard for the rest of the country to follow, California Governator Arnold Schwarzenegger announced yesterday that his state will be moving aggressively to reduce the emission of greenhouse gases. According to Schwarzenegger, this will be accomplished primarily through the abolition of drive-through Mexican fast food restaurants.
:lol: yeah his popularity is steadily declining. he had no fucking business being in politics in the first place. the only reason he was elected was through a fluke recall election (don't get me wrong, davis was scum, but still)--one rich republican, darrell issa, pretty much funded the whole thing and got all the necessary signatures, of which a surprisingly low number was necessary, so he could run for governor...then he dropped out almost immediately. and you have every male in california aged 18-30 going "ooh ooh ahnold!! we have to vote for ahnold!! he's so awesoem!!1!1" disregard, of course, his utter lack of qualifications.

anyway, it's good to see him slipping.
 
One Inch Man said:
What I don't understand is why the middle class would vote Republican

Bush did an OUTSTANDING job of presenting himself as the guy you want round for BBQ's and ballgames. Plus he goes to church. He had it in the bag.

War veterans weren't sure about the way Kerry conducted himself in Vietnam, so what do they do? They vote for Bush. :lol:

Poor people in the red states (factory workers at car manufacturing plants getting laid off by the thousand every Friday) STILL went back to vote for Bush because his morals were in line with what Jesus would want.

Soldiers going to fight in Iraq voted for Bush....

The man did an excellent job. If there's ever a nation where you could make a fortune going door to door selling absolute rubbish, America is the place to be. "Sorry, I don't need that portable vacuum cleaner that's just about ready to break any second now, but what the heck, you've got a nice smile gosh darnit".
 
Bush has one quality in common with Clinton; they both are able to wade into a crowd of just-folks and slap backs and shake hands and aw-shucks it up with the people. I read once Clinton used to drive his Secret Service detail nuts because once he started gabbing with people there was no stopping him, and it's raise hell with their schedule's timetable.
 
Hey give credit where credit is due:

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But you're right, that's exactly what happened. The public was duped, or at least the lower and middle classes anyhow. Just keep handing over power to that upper 1%, they are bound to throw you a bone once in awhile. Hey maybe trickle down economics will make a comeback! As if they ever went away. :rolleyes:
 
^^yea that's true, and it's a useful skill to have in politics. however, i'd like to point out one of the biggest differences between them; that while clinton is an exceptionally gifted public speaker, bush has a grasp on the english language that is tentative, at best. whenever he gives a speech it's full of weird pauses in the middle of sentences, like he's pausing at the end of each line on the page. also he always looks like he's looking directly into the sun :lol:

^fuck rove. if ever there was a man that deserved to be drawn and quartered, it was that sleazebag. (note for foreigners: you're looking at the man who really runs america)
 
he ran a campaign against paul wellstone that alleged he signed a bill to give money to seaweed farmers or something, which was true but it was in actuality just a little part of some really vital bill, which...his candidate voted for too. people in america just don't care to check the facts, that's how bush won.