Are you a closet Christian or [insert any other religion]?

JayKeeley

JayKeeley

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Do you find it odd that non religious people end up:

- getting married in a church
- getting married by a priest
- having a religious funeral (some even end up with a cross as their gravestone)
- align their personal morals against christian say-so

(I only pick christianity because I grew up in, and live, in a christian/western society so that's all I've witnessed).

I accept that religion has shaped society somewhat, but traditions, rituals, and morals should be chosen on your own free will, no?

I dunno...I find the whole thing odd. One of my best friends is a screaming aetheist, but he got married in a church. I think that's crazy. :hypno:
 
I want to get married at my house or like... a lake or something.
I don't want a priest anywhere near me, last time that happened I got a screaming lecture about how I was a satanist. (lol, not), Funeral... not really my choice atm, haven't specified :p

My personal morals are based on what I feel is right and wrong, if religions has influenced that, so be it.

but yes, many people ar elike that.
 
JayKeeley said:
Do you find it odd that non religious people end up:

- getting married in a church
- getting married by a priest
- having a religious funeral (some even end up with a cross as their gravestone)
- align their personal morals against christian say-so

(I only pick christianity because I grew up in, and live, in a christian/western society so that's all I've witnessed).

I accept that religion has shaped society somewhat, but traditions, rituals, and morals should be chosen on your own free will, no?

I dunno...I find the whole thing odd. One of my best friends is a screaming aetheist, but he got married in a church. I think that's crazy. :hypno:
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Well few consider these things spiritual in our times (well more do about the funeral), so they are all just social events. Its the thing "they all do".
 
IOfTheStorm said:
Well few consider these things spiritual in our times (well more do about the funeral), so they are all just social events. Its the thing "they all do".
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Still it serves to perpetuate Christianity as a cornerstone of Western society
 
Depending on your family you may not have a choice as to wear the wedding/funeral is held. Those events are for your family (read: mothers) more than they are for the person/persons.
 
^^^^

Exactly. It'd kill my immediate family if I didn't have it in a church of sorts. Like I fucking care; to me, it'd be about getting through it as quickly as possible and getting to the party where I can a) get wasted, b) start tallying up my "haul," and c) bone my new wife.
 
Iconoclastic Tendencies said:
Depending on your family you may not have a choice as to wear the wedding/funeral is held. Those events are for your family (read: mothers) more than they are for the person/persons.
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Believe me if they tried to bury me in a christian ceremony I would come back from the grave to haunt them endlessly by creaking their stairs and blowing out their candles
 
When the wind cries out my name
And time has come for me to die
Then wrap me in my cape
And lay my sword down at my side

Then place me on a ship of Oak
And let it drift with tide
Let the flames purify my soul
On its way to hall up high

Up high
Up high
Up high
Up high

Fire!
 
JayKeeley said:
Do you find it odd that non religious people end up:

- getting married in a church
- getting married by a priest
- having a religious funeral (some even end up with a cross as their gravestone)
- align their personal morals against christian say-so

(I only pick christianity because I grew up in, and live, in a christian/western society so that's all I've witnessed).

I accept that religion has shaped society somewhat, but traditions, rituals, and morals should be chosen on your own free will, no?

I dunno...I find the whole thing odd. One of my best friends is a screaming aetheist, but he got married in a church. I think that's crazy. :hypno:
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i don't follow... do the marriages realised by priests have a legal value, or is there also an authorized process that takes place with those ceremonies? i mean do the priests have an official power on marriages?
 
I'm pretty much an aestheticist, in that I recognize the most spiritual elevation from literature, music, art, etc. Basically I'm a member of the cult of beauty. Nature's also cool. Most of my concepts are pretty eastern though, and I believe, much like Blake, that "everything is holy" and one. When we die, I think we simple merge with Being and become un-individuated and un-imprisoned once again. That said, I don't base my life on any dogma other than my own.
 
Well, it's not like a REAL cult or anything, other than something I just made up for simplicity.

The Aesthetic movement is a loosely defined movement in art and literature in later nineteenth century Britain. Generally speaking, it represents the same tendencies that Symbolism or Decadence stood for in France, and may be considered the English branch of the same movement. It belongs to the anti-Victorian reaction and had post-Romantic roots. It took place in the late Victorian period from around 1868 to 1901, and is generally considered to have ended with the trial of Oscar Wilde.

The English decadent writers were deeply influenced by Walter Pater and his essays published in 1867-1868, in which he stated that life had to be lived intensely, following an ideal of beauty. Decadent writers used the slogan, coined by the philosopher Victor Cousin and promoted by Théophile Gautier in France, "Art for Art's Sake" (L'art pour l'art) and asserted that there was no connection between art and morality.

The artists and writers of the Aesthetic movement tended to hold that the Arts should provide refined sensuous pleasure, rather than convey moral or sentimental messages. As a consequence they did not accept John Ruskin and Matthew Arnold's utilitarian conception of art as something moral or useful. Instead they believed that Art does not have any didactic purpose, it need only be beautiful. The Aesthetes developed the cult of beauty which they considered the basic factor in art. Life should copy Art, they asserted. The main characteristics of the movement were: suggestion rather than statement, sensuality, massive use of symbols, and synaesthetic effects - that is, correspondence between words, colors and music.

Aestheticism had its forerunners in John Keats and Percy Bysshe Shelley, and among the Pre-Raphaelites. In Britain the best representatives were Oscar Wilde and Algernon Charles Swinburne, both influenced by the French Symbolists. Artists associated with the Aesthetic movement include James McNeill Whistler and Dante Gabriel Rossetti. The movement had an influence on interior design. "Aesthetic" interiors were characterised by the use of such things as peacock feathers and blue-and-white china, both of which are commonly said to have been used as decorations by Oscar Wilde during his youth. This aspect of the movement was satirised in Punch magazine and in Gilbert and Sullivan's operetta "Patience".
 
i'm quite happy not knowing what my religious stance is called. I believe theres gotta be something, but whether we're a lab experiment for some aliens or theres some fancy almighty being... fuck if I know. All i gotta say is... big bang or not... all the matter in the universe had to come from something!!!

Personally, it's too much effort to worry about, so fuck it.
 
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