Machinated
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I'd go Krank or ENGL - it really depends on which you prefer for what you need as they are pretty different sounding amps.
Can you try either of these amps out?
Can you try either of these amps out?
Amp head & cab for studio (no money limit)
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Yeah isn't the 5150 based off of the SLO100 already? I could swear that was the base that Peavey used when developing the amp... which, if I'm not mistaken, is the reason I suggested to not get an SLO100...it would be like having another 5150, essentially.
I really think the Savage or a Revolution will be your best bet with the amps you currently have. 5150/Dual Rec/JCM800/Savage*or*Revolution. The Rev actually has a really cool clean channel (KSE anyone?), and like I mentioned before the distorted sounds have a very raw in-your-face kind of quality which I like a LOT. I would go with a Krank...but the Savage would be killer too...either way you will be covered tonally IMHO for quite a while. Not to mention your gear list is going to look pimp
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I really think the Savage or a Revolution will be your best bet with the amps you currently have. 5150/Dual Rec/JCM800/Savage*or*Revolution. The Rev actually has a really cool clean channel (KSE anyone?), and like I mentioned before the distorted sounds have a very raw in-your-face kind of quality which I like a LOT. I would go with a Krank...but the Savage would be killer too...either way you will be covered tonally IMHO for quite a while. Not to mention your gear list is going to look pimp
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Unfortunately, I can't.
You see, in this country the only metal amps you'll find are a few mesas, some low-end peaveys/randalls/marshalls, and that's it. So the only resource for choosing this stuff is the web.
Machinated
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Yeah tough call. Whats your reasoning in buying a new amp? You have a pretty nice collection as it is...what kind of sound are you looking to achieve that you can't with what you have already? This should help narrow down the choices.
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Well, first of all, the truth is that both amps (5150 and dual recto) were handmade by me a couple of years ago. If the schematics are available, I build it myself. But there are some problems:
-Most schematics of the newest or in-production amps are either fake or incomplete.
-Oftenly, handmade amps just won't sound the same as the "real thing". It seems that some parts are especially selected by manufacturers because little variations in the values of the components can have a big impact in the overall sound. This happens a lot with solid state amps, damn those picky bastards.
Then, of course, there's the "visual" factor: The handbuilt stuff looks kinda cheap (but, in fact, it's almost the same thing in a different box). I don't think clients like that.
Another reason is that I'm sort of tired of using (and hearing) the same setup again and again (not only in my studios, but in the local scene as well). I'm looking for something new, something different that other studios in this city don't have: be ENGL, Randall, Krank or VHT (believe me, I went to every single studio in this city and this brands are nowhere to be found).
-Most schematics of the newest or in-production amps are either fake or incomplete.
-Oftenly, handmade amps just won't sound the same as the "real thing". It seems that some parts are especially selected by manufacturers because little variations in the values of the components can have a big impact in the overall sound. This happens a lot with solid state amps, damn those picky bastards
.Then, of course, there's the "visual" factor: The handbuilt stuff looks kinda cheap (but, in fact, it's almost the same thing in a different box). I don't think clients like that.
Another reason is that I'm sort of tired of using (and hearing) the same setup again and again (not only in my studios, but in the local scene as well). I'm looking for something new, something different that other studios in this city don't have: be ENGL, Randall, Krank or VHT (believe me, I went to every single studio in this city and this brands are nowhere to be found).
Machinated
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Yeah, I get what you are saying.
I just finished reamping an album now through a Krank revolution and Triple Rectifier, and I'm really impressed with the Krank. The band has an ENGL Savage, and we all thought that the Mesa sounded better. That said many people have been really happy with Savages.
I just finished reamping an album now through a Krank revolution and Triple Rectifier, and I'm really impressed with the Krank. The band has an ENGL Savage, and we all thought that the Mesa sounded better. That said many people have been really happy with Savages.
an orange stack would be pretty sweet... or a diezel
Early Man use orange half-stacks and they have some pretty killer tone
Early Man use orange half-stacks and they have some pretty killer tone
crillemannen
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Bring me the Horizon had a shootout in Studio fredman when they recorded their new album. They had a Diesel head, Krank Rev, Engl Savage, 5150 and a 5150 mk III(EVH).
Time after time they all voted for the EVH 5150 mk III. So thats what you mainly hear on their record.
Cheers
Time after time they all voted for the EVH 5150 mk III. So thats what you mainly hear on their record.
Cheers
I'd vote for an Engl SE or Engl Savage and a Krank Rev Jr!
I know most people may not take you too seriously when suggesting they track with a 20w tiny head, but if they have a problem with it, they're probably just over compensating for something!
So I'd suggest get one of the big boy Engls, and the Rev Jr... it can hold it's own in a fight, I promise.
I know most people may not take you too seriously when suggesting they track with a 20w tiny head, but if they have a problem with it, they're probably just over compensating for something!
So I'd suggest get one of the big boy Engls, and the Rev Jr... it can hold it's own in a fight, I promise.
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The guitar sound in "Suicide Season" is amazing, so much better than the last album's. If that's EVH 5150... hell, this is getting more and more harder.
They are similar, yet very different at the same time. The distortion they produce sounds similar, yet the tone controls work way differently. And the SLO can get much better cleans, and a better crunch type sound IMO. Also the SLO does lead playing a bit better. The 5150 does a heavy rhythm better though.
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Actually, the circuit for the Rectifier, SLO-100 and Framus Cobra is 90% identical (distortion channel). The difference lies on the power amp, where the Framus has a control for more bass, and the Rectifier misses a connection that removes bass, gain and extreme highs. The 5150 is 70% identical do them, except that it has one more gain stage, thus making it more raw (im simplifying it eheh).
So, basically its the same amp, but little details make them sound worlds appart
So, basically its the same amp, but little details make them sound worlds appart
crillemannen
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I belive that the EVH MK III is the most versitale of those amps. If you want pure metal you probably want to go with the ENGL savage amp.
Loren Littlejohn
Lover of all boobage.
So the Madison dude is leaving on the 3rd. I can't buy it.
New cobra it is. If I don't like it trade on HCAF!
New cobra it is. If I don't like it trade on HCAF!
We had a TriAxis at the old studio for like, two weeks. Returned it to the store because we weren't happy with pretty much anything we got out of it. It was OK and there were a couple of gems that were dialed in...but for the money we felt it was way over priced. We even had a couple of dudes that owned a TriAxis for years come by and fuck with it. They were like "you guys seriously don't like this tone?", referring to the one they had dialed in. We didn't. Recorded it didn't sound good (the tones they were getting).
Meh.
~006
Meh.
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+1. Yeah, there's more to amps than the board components. For example, I recall Randall Smith saying part of what gave the Dual Recto its unique tone was the board capacitance with the way he ran the traces on the circuit board. You won't get that effect with a point-to-point wired clone.
Also, a lot of output transformers are proprietary to the amp manufacturer. You can't call Mercury Magnetics and buy a Bogner spec'd transformer from them. Although, I would think they'd set you up with something similar.
So, even if you duplicate the circuit, unless the components are identical, it may sound slightly different.
...In saying that, though, you should be able to end up with a pretty cool sounding amp, even if it doesn't nail the tone of the original.
