bands can very seldom come up with the money to record an album on the front end themselves, and even if they could they couldn't then also afford the videos and the marketing push..... they need the labels just as much as labels need them in most cases... and love 'em or hate 'em... they foot the bill.. and take all the front end risk.... are there inequities? yep. do we have a better, workable business model yet? not really... not just yet... but maybe around the corner... who knows, possibly... we'll see. one thing is for sure, spending 10's of thousands making a top notch record and zero money being generated from the people acquiring it is not a workable solution for 99% of bands. whether they "earn royalties" or not is debatable, one thing that is not debatable is that those sales pay for the recording, the producer, the video, the ads... etc, etc... money from concerts just barely pays most band's traveling expenses, and the t-shirt sales for most of your average selling metal bands out there amount to a modest weekly paycheck, if that... so where's the money to record and market their album supposed to come from? make it themselves at home on Sonar3... "producer edition"?.. works for some... some bands... but what about the albums we all love from the top of the field producers... andy, CR, CLA, Staub, etc? should we really be considering lowering the bar that far in order to "kill the evil record labels"?
And another.....The Blackening leaked!!
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Pman
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Gnash
Lefty
oh, that must be the one with the Andy Wallace emulation algorithm and the "SneapGTRZ" plug-in.No, no, not Sonar 3. Dark ages. Sonar 5? YES!
Gnash
Lefty
Nitronium Blood
UM BOARDS' JESTER
HeadCrusher
Member
Gnash
Lefty
KnifeVariable
quite a douchebag
MH bores me to tears, but this record sounds so good I almost forget how boring it is haha great job CR, it sounds incredible!
::XeS::
Member
I think this (and the following posts) isn't the point of the thread.
If you want to say that bands in their home studios can't make albums paragonable to "top of the field producers"...it's ok. But it's the same when bands use pro tools, Digital Performer etc...
I mean, who cares if you don't like sonar, it's not the point.
KnifeVariable
quite a douchebag
YES! AND I SHALL RANT ABOUT THIS!
I don't know what CR did to the drums, but the snare and kick sound so wrong! Actually the drums as a whole sound so painfully artificial (toms, hell even the china does!!!). And the guitars got somehow smaller too... I'm disappointed, I don't know why was there a need for such drastic change - James' mix covered it all so well, it sounded just perfect to my ears... If my band ever had a record that sounded like James' mix I'd say "Terrestrial mission accomplished, onwards to Deneb!" and join some apocalyptic death cult.
Seriously though, I'm disappointed!Shame they removed "Inversion", that riff when the vocal starts always made me go
Ok DAATH derail ends here.
ok, so you use Sonar.... jeez, it wasn't a personal jab at Sonar users, sorry. You could plug in literally any other DAW and my statement stands... hope that's better... don't wanna start a DAW debate. and you hit the nail on the head, which DAW is used wasn't my point at all.
Gnash
Lefty
Anyone notice the pick "sqwauking" (for lack of better term) on, I'm guessing Phil's rhythm (left side). Not a pick squeal, just a wierd tone from normal down picking. Pretty bitchin effect from his picking style. Could be Rob's guiatar.
kaomao
Member
I think it's due to the tone of a tubescreamer cranked a lot..... maybe....
I noticed that myself, the basher should shed some light.
Genius Gone Insane
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Just went to Virgin to pick this CD up. They want $18 for this.
I refuse to pay that much for a CD I already own--sorry, stole--via bittorrent. So I went online to Amazon and it wasn't much cheaper.
Know anywhere I can find it cheaper? I'm definitely gonna buy it, but not for that much.
Poor business model it seems.
I refuse to pay that much for a CD I already own--sorry, stole--via bittorrent. So I went online to Amazon and it wasn't much cheaper.
Know anywhere I can find it cheaper? I'm definitely gonna buy it, but not for that much.
Poor business model it seems.
LSD-Studio
HCAF crusher
just bought it for 19,99 !!!
that sucks...it really does! but it's not the band's fault that the cd is so pricey, so why should I fuck them by downloading....
that sucks...it really does! but it's not the band's fault that the cd is so pricey, so why should I fuck them by downloading....
Genius Gone Insane
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Jaymz
Stymphalian Productions
LSD-Studio
HCAF crusher
no, it's not the label that makes the big buck (ok, they get quite a bit, but they pay all the advances etc. and take all the risk....if a band doesn't sell enough to recoup it's the label's loss, so even if they make some more on another band...it's not as much as you might think).
it's the retailers and distributers who really get the cash.
it's the retailers and distributers who really get the cash.
