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I think we'd get along. I can play most of those songs too. Just different opinions. Whatever, totally not a big deal. 
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I think we'd get along. I can play most of those songs too. Just different opinions. Whatever, totally not a big deal. 
Gnash
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theblackmoon
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Listen to "Out In The Fields" by Thin Lizzy. Helloween made 500 songs based on that. And the vocal harmonies on "When I´m sixty four" by The Beatles, Blind Guardian riped off on every chorus they made...
metalkingdom
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Gnash
Lefty
Check out the album "Black Rose", from Thin Lizzy.
That album just makes me have to pick up a guitar, every time I hear it! Cool to figure out both harmonies, and jam with!
Kazrog
Kazrog, Inc.
Same here! "Dialogue with the Stars" by In Flames always makes me think of this era of Lizzy in particular.
Bit of a problem with this.
Progressive as we know it was largely born from two things - the first is Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band by the Beatles and the second is the early work of Frank Zappa. Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band was light years past anything that had happened before that in rock music, in terms of everything from production to songwriting to thematic grandeur, and to say that it ripped off 40s R&B is like saying that the inventor of sandwiches ripped off the inventor of sliced bread. Frank Zappa came from the typical rock background, one could say, but he was also heavily influenced by things ranging from the jazz at the time, which was becoming more complex with the growth of bebop, to modern composers like Varese. Zappa threw in so many new elements to the mix that there's simply no fucking way you could throw it back to R&B. Other bands like Pink Floyd, 1-2-3, and Genesis would be part of this movement and keep adding more complexity and intricacy to it, giving it a whole new depth - it is easy to argue the case that Elvis made money making black music for white people, and a lot of sixties rock just took that same step farther forward ( *cough* Rolling Stones *cough* ), but prog brought in so many other elements, including but not limited to jazz and classical, that pointing to its birthplace as R&B leaves out at least half of the picture.
Also, it seems hard to make the case that Scandinavian death metal would be near where it turned out to be if it were not for thrash metal, and the Florida death scene appears to be of significance as well. Now, yes, scene kids might like to water down Scandinavian metal and call it exTr33m, d00dz, but Morbid Angel, Death, Cannibal Corpse, Suffocation, Testament, Cynic, Megadeth, and other such bands seem to have thrown enough new stuff into the mix to make the American scene not look like an ignorant bunch of copycats.
Jeff
theblackmoon
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^ JBroll, I´m also a huge fan of the Florida scene, as well as some acts from the bay area. But I was refering to bands with less than 10 - 15 years. The bands you mentioned were all pioneers, they created what thousands of bands are doing today. My criticism goes to the nowadays metalcore that seems so popular in US. Metalcore for me is a whole other thing like some Varukers, Ratos De Porão, Exploited. Although some would just call it punk or crossover.
About the R&B thing, well, The Beatles did a lot of "pure rock n´roll" before they started seeing Lucy in the skies with diamonds, I was kind refering to that pre-Sgt. Pepper´s era. I totally agree with you on the Zappa though, although I believe he was more avant-garde than The Beatles, I think even today Zappa is ahead of our time. I was kinda just refering to the whole picture in a very general way, it´s obviously more intricate than that, I did not mention for instance Baroque, highly influencial to many bands, specially guitar players, or Classical. Nor Jazz or even Bebop that you mentioned.
Anyways
I love this kind of discusion, I and like to try to understand why *modern* music is the way it is. I don´t mind being a average guitar player nor a limited song writter, although I aim for a better condition in both things, I just don´t want to do a 3rd doubled melodie and think I´m starting a riot with it. Like many new *swedecore bands* do today.
Thanks for the input.
About the R&B thing, well, The Beatles did a lot of "pure rock n´roll" before they started seeing Lucy in the skies with diamonds, I was kind refering to that pre-Sgt. Pepper´s era. I totally agree with you on the Zappa though, although I believe he was more avant-garde than The Beatles, I think even today Zappa is ahead of our time. I was kinda just refering to the whole picture in a very general way, it´s obviously more intricate than that, I did not mention for instance Baroque, highly influencial to many bands, specially guitar players, or Classical. Nor Jazz or even Bebop that you mentioned.
Anyways
I love this kind of discusion, I and like to try to understand why *modern* music is the way it is. I don´t mind being a average guitar player nor a limited song writter, although I aim for a better condition in both things, I just don´t want to do a 3rd doubled melodie and think I´m starting a riot with it. Like many new *swedecore bands* do today.
Thanks for the input.
If we're discussing poppy bullshit 'Metal By Numbers' then we might as well be complaining about any other form of music that's been watered down and turned to shit by people who like everything to be watered down and turned to shit. I wouldn't view popular 'metalcore' any differently than what was popular metal in the 80s (hair! gaah!) or popular punk in the 90s (Hey! Let's throw out the punk ethic, sound, and view entirely, and call ourselves punks while singing about bullshit of no substance whatsoever in commercially accessible and formulaic yelping! Cool, huh?) and I don't see any discussion of that kind going anywhere; I'd also say that the reason I read metal discussions here and not at Blabbermouth is because flamewars just don't catch on.
Jeff
Jeff
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A friend and I recently had the same thoughts as well that it's starting to feel like the 80's hair band vibe. Everything goes in a cycle and repeats. Though he feels that this time around the version of "grunge" to the kill the "hair metal" this time will be an uber stripped down form again, he suggested a more Entombed type of thing, or maybe Stoner Rock/Metal will be the thing to kill carbon copy Metalcore/Swedecore. We shall soon see.
