Any Religious people out there?
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egonomic666
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im spiritual which means i beleive in a god or a higher power but i follow no specific religion itake the lessons taught and applie them so i live a good life thats it, ( my family is all christian so i celebrate christmas)
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My family is supposed to be Muslim, my folks aren't that religious so the rest of the family isn't that religious either. I'm an agnostic though, and my parents know that and they don't mind.
egonomic666
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lord667
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I'm agnostic. I'm willing to accept the possibility of a higher power, but I don't think Islam, Christianity, and all the other mad cults are likely to be an accurate representation of it, if it even exists at all. I definitely don't believe that God gives a flying fuck whether or not you have a beard or foreskin, whether you wear a hat or shoes in the little building you built without him asking you to, whether you wear a burqa or a bikini, or any of the other kind stupid, meaningless shite that humans have invented to "show respect" to a God who apparently knows all and can see your soul and thus DOESN'T NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT YOU'RE WEARING OR WHAT'S ON YOUR DINNER PLATE TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE FAITH IN HIM.
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I am a very bitter ex-christian and current agnositc. Been an agnostic for about a decade and a half.
I'm an agnostic but I like the Jewish ideals such as studying not necessarily Torah but just persuing truth. What pisses me off about a lot of Jews though is that they basically follow a Jesus-less Christianity with different holidays and traditions and have no idea what real Jewish ideals are. Believing and following a 'god' is not the main issue as I have come to understand it. A number of Jews are actually atheists. Of course I'm mainly referring to Reform Judaism.
However the way I define religion is that it's essentially a set of beliefs. Everyone has a set of beliefs and everyones beliefs are different. So the whole 'church and state' issue is ridiculous as well are atheists that claim to oppose all religions.
This is just my viewpoint of course.
However the way I define religion is that it's essentially a set of beliefs. Everyone has a set of beliefs and everyones beliefs are different. So the whole 'church and state' issue is ridiculous as well are atheists that claim to oppose all religions.
This is just my viewpoint of course.
Caelum Adustum
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I don't believe in god .. When you die .. you are dead. nothing more .. but I'm also of the opinion everyone should believe in what he or she wants .. so, if someone believes in god, it's ok .. but I can't believe ..
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My mother is musilm, an Irish catholic turned musilm.
I know a fair amount about the religion, same as Christianity. I'm baptised a catholic, but I don't follow it or believe in it. I believe the musilm version, it makes much more sense and a lot of predictions that no one could know about then has happened.
To sum it up, I'm not any religion, I do believe in the one god, and so on however.
I know a fair amount about the religion, same as Christianity. I'm baptised a catholic, but I don't follow it or believe in it. I believe the musilm version, it makes much more sense and a lot of predictions that no one could know about then has happened.
To sum it up, I'm not any religion, I do believe in the one god, and so on however.
lord667
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FauxPerspicacity said:
All religions are beliefs, but not all beliefs are religions. The church and state issue is important because the idealised purpose of a government is to serve the earthly welfare of the people, not to impose "God's word" upon them. Lastly, your beef with atheism is only logical working from your definition of a "religion", which isn't correct. A "religion" is a belief system derived from the diktats of a supernatural entity or spiritual guru. So atheism is, by definition, not a religion, but rather a school of theology.
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lord667 said:
Yeah i guess i was wrong about the definition of religion but it's sort of a word that can be defined differently depending upon the perspective.
As for the 'church and state' issue "God's word" dictates that we should not kill, not steal, and what have you. So how could a country make laws as such that are not based on "God's word". And let's say someone's religion believes in murder or human sacrifice or something along those lines should they be arrested? Of course that's just a for instance.
Lord SteveO
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I don't believe in anything.
Trouble is that like someone already said you can believe in a god or whatever but how do you know that your religion you built round your belief is right? Everyone has their own views and beliefs and so they are all going to have different interpretations of how to please/worship their god.
IMO faith is fine, faith is a divine pwoer or whatever. But when you try to turn that faith into a religion that's where it goes wrong. Religions is a way of controling a mass of people to see things a certain way, and a lot of people have fallen under it. As one of my teachers once said "an organised religion is just one of the biggest advertising campaigns in the world, trying to get lots of people to "buy" your product/ideals" Couldn't aggree more.
Trouble is that like someone already said you can believe in a god or whatever but how do you know that your religion you built round your belief is right? Everyone has their own views and beliefs and so they are all going to have different interpretations of how to please/worship their god.
IMO faith is fine, faith is a divine pwoer or whatever. But when you try to turn that faith into a religion that's where it goes wrong. Religions is a way of controling a mass of people to see things a certain way, and a lot of people have fallen under it. As one of my teachers once said "an organised religion is just one of the biggest advertising campaigns in the world, trying to get lots of people to "buy" your product/ideals" Couldn't aggree more.
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FauxPerspicacity said:
In that particular instance, the only perspective that matters is the religion-hating atheists' one. Take a different perspective and you distort their meaning. See my signature.
I'm not saying that countries should deliberately exclude everything that any religion says. That would be absurd. But laws against murder and theft are NOT necessarily based on "God's Word". Even a 100% atheist society where nobody had ever even heard of God would recognise that not letting people kill each other on a whim is quite important for peace and order.
And yes, if someone's religion promotes murder and it's against the law, tough. They can take their beliefs straight to prison with everyone else who thought the law didn't apply to them.
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