Zero Dude said:Merry Christmas.
It is for my kids, mostly. I love the look on their faces when they open their presents on X-mas morning!
dittoCynical said:Bah Humbug. Do you really need all of the useless shit you get at Christmas? To me, it seems rather stupid go out, buy lots of shit for people we supposedly "care" about but really just want to stay on decent terms with because we know we have to see them every day, and get worthless shit in return that'll be thrown away within the week.
I'd just as soon have a second Thanksgiving. Food, family, none of the bullshit.
The stuff I get for christmas isnt worthless, its almost always stuff I want/need, so sucks to be you. The only worthless crap I get is from the christians on my moms side of the family. I also give gifts because I want to, and who I want to, not to stay on good terms but because i actually do care about them.Cynical said:Bah Humbug. Do you really need all of the useless shit you get at Christmas? To me, it seems rather stupid go out, buy lots of shit for people we supposedly "care" about but really just want to stay on decent terms with because we know we have to see them every day, and get worthless shit in return that'll be thrown away within the week.
I'd just as soon have a second Thanksgiving. Food, family, none of the bullshit.
If you need the stuff, how have you lived prior to each Christmas without it? If you want it, wouldn't it be more efficient to buy it for yourself, assuming that you'd save the money on gifts that you have to give?Scott W said:The stuff I get for christmas isnt worthless, its almost always stuff I want/need, so sucks to be you. The only worthless crap I get is from the christians on my moms side of the family. I also give gifts because I want to, and who I want to, not to stay on good terms but because i actually do care about them.
The way that's phrased, it sounds like Christmas helps you justify your ego...Im all for xmas, not for any religious meaning since Im an atheist, its just a chance for me to buy stuff for people.
Cynical said:If you need the stuff, how have you lived prior to each Christmas without it? If you want it, wouldn't it be more efficient to buy it for yourself, assuming that you'd save the money on gifts that you have to give?
How does buying material possessions for a person equate to an expression of caring about them? Isn't loving (or "caring", if you prefer) a day-in day-out affair, not a one-time gesture, and related to a relationship (which by definition, exists as words/actions towards each other, and doesn't exist in the physical), thus making your "gesture" absolutely meaningless?
The way that's phrased, it sounds like Christmas helps you justify your ego...
Wow, I cant imagine anyone getting it entirely wrong more than you did. congrats. First off, something I need doesnt necessarily mean like air or water. It could be something I will have to buy eventually, and someone else buys it for me. I dont wait for xmas to get all the stuff I needed for the year, sometimes it just happens to work out nicely. For an example, a few christmases back, I needed new shoes, and I was planning on buying some, but instead, my parents bought a nice pair I wanted for me. So I was not only able to live prior to christmas, but I would have had to buy it myself eventually. And as I said originally, it ISNT more efficient to buy it for myself if I get a gift worth X dollars and I give a gift worth X dollars. As I said, its essentially an exchange of money.Cynical said:If you need the stuff, how have you lived prior to each Christmas without it? If you want it, wouldn't it be more efficient to buy it for yourself, assuming that you'd save the money on gifts that you have to give?
How does buying material possessions for a person equate to an expression of caring about them? Isn't loving (or "caring", if you prefer) a day-in day-out affair, not a one-time gesture, and related to a relationship (which by definition, exists as words/actions towards each other, and doesn't exist in the physical), thus making your "gesture" absolutely meaningless?
The way that's phrased, it sounds like Christmas helps you justify your ego...
I dont often wrap, even if I did, what i spend on a roll of wrapping paper and tape is minimal spread out over many gifts. Do I need to help you calculate it?Cynical said:Errm... if you give a gift worth x dollars and get a gift worth x dollars, you still come out behind, because it's as if you paid x dollars plus gift wrap for what you got. It's not that hard to figure out.
If you can only express your "loving and caringness" through giving gifts (or if it's even an issue in your relationships), those relationships are fairly worthless, since they're apparently based (to some extent) on the foundation of physical goods. If that's the only way you have to "care" about someone, you're doing pretty badly.