bands like lamb of god

[The Ozzman]

I can't listen to more than 3 LOG songs in a row anymore.

 

[Belligerent]

^First 3 songs off Ashes of the Wake own. My particular favorite off that album is the instrumental with Alex Skolnik and the old guitarist from Megadeth (his name is escaping my mind right now.)
Anyway the song is a thrash metal masterpiece.

edit: just thought of his name, Chris Poland

 

[seedofvengeance]

It's the same way with ATPB and NAG, the first three songs are fucking awesome, especially back to back because of they way they go together.

 

[Belligerent]

Not big fan of NAG but there isn't a bad song off of ATPB, AOTW, or Sacrament.

 

[The Ozzman]

I'm probably going to sell my LOG records shortly. I never listen to that band anymore.

 

[SouthernTrendkill]

You're just being obtuse. Everything that came after Judas Priest and Iron Maiden that were critical to the evolution of Metal would have, in some way, whether in a large or small role, would have been fundamentally different. You can't remove a critical component of a band's sound and claim that they sound the same as if that component was not removed, and that is essentially what you're saying when you call "CONJECTURE!!!" on my claim that bands would sound different if you eliminate key components that make up their sound. Without Judas Priest, even Iron Maiden would have come out differently, as would the entirely of the NWOBHM movement. The NWOBHM movement having taken a different path would fundamentally alter the course of the development of Thrash Metal via genre staples such as Metallica, Slayer, Megadeth, and more of the most significant players in the field. In turn, the evolution of Death Metal and Black Metal would also have been fundamentally altered. The extension goes on ad infinitum. It is called a chain of events, and is hardly reduced merely to conjecture. It's not hard to perceive that Slayer would be radically different without the influence of Judas Priest and Iron Maiden. It's fairly clearly certain that bands such as Death, Possessed, Slaughter, Sacrifice, Death Strike, Massacre, and other early Death Metal bands would have had a different approach as well due to the fundamental difference in their primary influences. The same case can be made for the origins of Black Metal. Venom would have been dramatically different without Judas Priest especially, as well as Iron Maiden, and the same can be said for Mercyful Fate, Bathory, Hellhammer, Celtic Frost, Sodom, and all of the other originators of the style. As logically follows, if you dramatically alter the fundamental core of evolution of x, then x will be fundamentally altered. It's hardly mere conjecture to follow a logical chain of events to demonstrate the way in which things would have taken a different path had a link in the chain that makes up the path which was ultimately taken been removed.

Of course, this is all assuming that, had these bands never existed, the NWOBHM movement would have still occurred, which very well could have been unlikely, and at best it would have been very different. Following this pattern, it could very well have been the case that the early Thrash Metal bands would have not adopted this formulation and would have either never existed to begin with or would have simply been Hardcore Punk bands in the vein of Discharge, GBH, The Exploited, etc.

This is also, of course, taking a complete blind eye to the obvious influence that Judas Priest and Iron Maiden have instituted on the harmonics found in, yes, Lamb Of God. So yes, you're wrong assume the probability or even remote likelihood that Lamb Of God would be the same today if Judas Priest and Iron Maiden had never existed. The likelihood is so far off the charts of probability that its actual occurrence would most likely be a result of Lamb Of God simply being an incredibly innovative band, since the path forged without Judas Priest and Iron Maiden that, in its current formulation, would have been left with a tremendous void that Lamb Of God would need to fulfill in order to make up that ground. The fact of the matter is, and this is hardly mere conjection, that in all credible likelihood, Lamb Of God would not sound the way that they do today if Judas Priest and Iron Maiden had never existed, and to assume it's likely that they would have is either to assume uncanny innovative prowess for the band or to assume a great deal in the way of plugging the gaps in the chain of events which would have to essentially artificially create the influence that Judas Priest and Iron Maiden had on everything that developed in their wake.

Conjecture all you want, but your tunnel vision is obvious. Just becuase Priest and Maiden are huge doesn't necessarily mean that everything that came after them would have been fundamentally different. That's a massive leap.

 

[Mort Divine]

No it isn't.

 

[waif]

Conjecture all you want, but your tunnel vision is obvious. Just becuase Priest and Maiden are huge doesn't necessarily mean that everything that came after them would have been fundamentally different. That's a massive leap.

Oh.
My.
God.
Shut.
The.
Fuck.
Up.

 

[skeptik]

Conjecture all you want, but your tunnel vision is obvious. Just becuase Priest and Maiden are huge doesn't necessarily mean that everything that came after them would have been fundamentally different. That's a massive leap.

I'm just going to assume that your posts in response to me are a result of a general lack of knowledge regarding the historical lineage and evolution of the genre and not because you actually believe what you're saying in the face of glaring contradictions. Also, I sincerely hope that you don't actually think it's more of a "massive leap" to conclude that Lamb Of God might sound a bit different if two of the most influential bands in Metal never existed than to just assume that they would sound exactly the same.

All you have to really do is listen to the music in question and you should be aware of how large the influence that Judas Priest was for pretty much the entire NWOBHM scene, from Diamond Head, to Angel Witch, to Aragorn, to Blitzkrieg, to Venom, etc., and beyond, from Mercyful Fate, to Bathory, to Slayer, etc., and much of this can be evidenced from the fact that a lot of these bands have covered their songs or directly cited Judas Priest in interviews as cornerstone influences in their sound.

Oh, and by the way, stamping your feet and shouting "conjecture" does not inoculate you from the requirement of making coherent, rational arguments. Of course it can't be scientifically proven that Lamb Of God would not sound the same if Judas Priest and Iron Maiden did not exist, but it doesn't require that type of stringent analysis to be able to observe the blatantly obvious traces of influence that even modern bands such as Lamb Of God continue to have from Judas Priest and Iron Maiden.

 

[mutantllama]

If only we had a time machine.......

 

[Black Friday]

I can't listen to more than 3 LOG songs in a row anymore.

For me they're a bit like Dragonforce in listenability (If that's even a word). Really great if you only occasionally listen to them but if you try to think about it or do heavy listening they get boring. Way too many new metal bands are like that.

 

[The Ozzman]

Actually, I never get tired of listening to Valley of the Damned

 

[Black Friday]

Actually, I never get tired of listening to Valley of the Damned

I'll admit I haven't heard anything other than the title track for that.

 

[The Ozzman]

It's the only DF album worth getting imo

 

[blackeyejoe]

if you liked pantera how about trying phil anselmos "down" its not like pantera but its muddy southern style metal.children of bodom and opeth are good and so is satyricon.

 

[waif]

Actually, I never get tired of listening to Valley of the Damned

It's the only DF album worth getting imo

Sonic Firestorm is better, imo

if you liked pantera how about trying phil anselmos "down" its not like pantera but its muddy southern style metal.children of bodom and opeth are good and so is satyricon.

Warning: Pantera, COB, and to a lesser extent Down are hated on this board.

 

[mutantllama]

I like all three of those bands.

 

[Black Friday]

I like all three of those bands.

With the exception of Down, they have some pretty good stuff.

 

[The Butt]

With the exception of Down, they have some pretty good stuff.

I heard some Down, a friend of mine brought his Ipod over one weekend and started playing random songs.

I dunno what songs/album was playing, but I liked it. Sounded a bit like old-Sabbath.

 

[False Joe]

If only we had a time machine.......

WOAH.