Best of 2006 so far

[all_sins_undone]

frances the mute was laughable imo. so much pointless filler

 

[i aint play this]

Those retarded hyena yells, ear-raping atrocious solos and salsa-merengue rhythms are so stupid, i don't get it

 

[wankerness]

Mars Volta <<<<<<<<<< At the Drive-In god i'm pissed they broke up and half of them went there

 

[RedinTheSky]

I thought The Blueprint were a fairly likeable post-hardcore offering. Only one full album, but it was pretty good. Not amazing or anything, but I enjoyed it, thought it was a shame when they split.

And Sadguru is correct in his own correnction of M_W, but I'd also like to point out that M_W cited "indie" bands. There are dozens of indie bands that command greater respect from the majority of the critical press and the public than Opeth do. To suggest otherwise is just silly.

Personally... I agree with NFU in that every genre has it's own selection of acts that stand above the majority of bands from other genres. I don't necessarily agree with some of the bands he suggests, but I whole-heartedly agree with his main point.

Oh, and in reference to the earlier discussion on lyrics: Opeth's lyrics are not good. They fit the music, the melodies and rhythms are (for the most part) excellent, but... the subject matter doesn't feel... "real" sometimes. Obviously in some cases (ITNASW for example) it is, but... I feel like Mike sometimes writes words in a way that... doesn't hold a meaning in my life. They just... do nothing for me, and NFU is right, there are a lot of so called "whiny" bands who I can relate to to a much greater degree.

Mike's still one of my favourite musicians. I just don't rate him that highly as a lyricist.

Oh, and RedinTheSky, when you refer to instrumentation as being "good", I get the impression you mean like... "complex". Why does it have to be complex? Does anyone else agree that to master simplicity and write something simple but beautiful is just as much of an art?

Everyone has a standpoint or two... a place where they 'come from' when they evaluate music. Mine is mostly from playing instruments myself, and being around other musicians, as well as getting the most technically profound offerings from whatever genre I feel like listening at the moment and listening to them all. I can definitely appreciate music that isn't fast, but it still has to be good, like some Burzum or Summoning, or some of Opeth's acoustic stuff.

I certainly don't mind fantastical lyrics... I listen to Bal-Sagoth and even Rhapsody from time to time, so I can appreciate some of the depth that is put into Opeth's lyrics as they are a bit more profound.. some of the comes from the ability as a listener to feel the music to breathe it in and understand perhaps a bit of where the music's maker is instead of just hearing the sounds hit your ears in your living room.

What I hate is whiny ass vocalists. Not whiny just as in high pitched. I listen to King Diamond just fine so that isn't the problem. Whiny as in can't you just buy a psychiatrist with the money you spent to make this album and leave the rest of us out of it ? I just don't care to hear about your unresolved experiences or issues as a child or a teenager, and you should have put some more time into lessons and less into your makeup and wardrobe.

 

[NFU]

so...which emo (incl. hardcore/indie/post-rock) bands have gained as much respect from music enthusiasts, peers, music critics, etc... as Opeth have??

answer: none

ummm...many. idiot.

 

[BurningSky]

metal wrath, did you actually say "which emo" and then include hardcore, indie, and post rock in that genre? do you even have the slightest idea what those genres are? They have pretty much nothing to do with one another.

 

[Towedwart]

Thrice is only okay? And I thought they were fantastic, thanks for the correction. Time to sell my copy...

Thanks again, rep ++

Fuck, do I have to say "Thrice is okay, IMO" or something to make it clear it's just my thoughts on the matter? And who says it is a negative okay like "meh, they're okay." I like them enough to buy their albums. They're good times, but I definitely like other post-hardcore bands more. Chill pills, people. Ya'll need chill pills.

 

[metal_wrath]

metal wrath, did you actually say "which emo" and then include hardcore, indie, and post rock in that genre? do you even have the slightest idea what those genres are? They have pretty much nothing to do with one another.

I was replying to NFU's post, which he cited those genres, because they are always lumped together as "emo"

 

[NFU]

I was replying to NFU's post, which he cited those genres, because they are always lumped together as "emo"

by people like you. that was the point i was illustrating.

 

[Lothlorien]

thursday and underoath i can definitely get behind, however i havent heard protest the hero yet.

I luv em both. Underoath IMO is one of my most respected and listened to bands. I'll admit I'm a christian but it's so refreshing to hear music from a christian band that talks about struggles instead of staying positive like 99&#37; of christian music. And it's difficult to find other christians who have liberal views as I, and it's good to know they do and don't follow the streotype of conservative christians.

Also, the fact that their latest album wasn't a re-hash of They're Only Chasing Safety and that it was a progessive and much heavier album is enough to respect them as a band. They could have blown up like Taking Back Sunday or Hawthorne Heights, but you can tell they took influences from Isis, Tool, and so on to make it their best album.

 

[Sandrothecoolman]

the mars volta, between the buried and me, and the fall of troy would be 3 excellent examples of bands lumped in with the so called "emo" bands despite not being so due to the style of vocals often used, but definitely excell musically in any respect.

Who the fuck called Between the Buried and Me emo. Really... Sounds a bit more like technical deathmetalcore (yes I invented a genre) to me.

 

[Armageddon's Child]

Who the fuck called Between the Buried and Me emo. Really... Sounds a bit more like technical deathmetalcore (yes I invented a genre) to me.

Don't you mean homofaggotasscumcore?

 

[metal_wrath]

by people like you. that was the point i was illustrating.

I assumed as much

 

[derbeder]

katatonia - the great cold distance
espers - ii
isis - in the absence of truth
enslaved - ruun
placebo - meds
wolves in the throne room - diadem of 12 stars
thom yorke - the eraser
negura bunget - om

 

[Lothlorien]

Between the Buried and Me are only lumped into the emo category because they are on Victory Records, a record company that signs bands of the emo, screamo, hardcore, post-hardcore, etc. genre. If Between the Buried and Me were on a label like Metal Blade or The End they would probably not do most of their touring with emo/hardcore bands.

And yes I agree, Fall of Troy is another great band.

Since we're on this topic, I cant help but promote Mewithoutyou. Give them a listen.

 

[Armageddon's Child]

Between the Buried and Me are only lumped into the emo category because they are on Victory Records, a record company that signs bands of the emo, screamo, hardcore, post-hardcore, etc. genre. If Between the Buried and Me were on a label like Metal Blade or The End they would probably not do most of their touring with emo/hardcore bands.

And they wouldn't be on an emo label if they weren't fundamentally oriented toward an emo fanbase, genius.

 

[BurningSky]

And they wouldn't be on an emo label if they weren't fundamentally oriented toward an emo fanbase, genius.

You can't make that claim with any certainty. You have no idea why they signed with that label and you dont know why the label signed them.

 

[Armageddon's Child]

You can't make that claim with any certainty. You have no idea why they signed with that label and you dont know why the label signed them.

Sure you do:

Money

and

Money

Genre labels sign bands that will appeal to the marketing niches they've carved out, it's a matter of simple economics. At this level, you market the things you already know how to market. An independent label can't afford to have any of its releases bomb, so they stick to what they know how to sell by default.

 

[BurningSky]

That's actually pretty incorrect. Indie labels are known for their appeasement of possible failures. Major lables stick to what works, but indies are much more leniant.

 

[Armageddon's Child]

That's actually pretty incorrect. Indie labels are known for their appeasement of possible failures. Major lables stick to what works, but indies are much more leniant.

Indie labels sign a lot of niche acts that wouldn't be worth investing the amount of money that major labels look to dump into their artists, but major labels are much more stylistically diverse than indies because indies don't take flyers on artists outside their own area of marketing expertise.