Agree.
Lots of big name producers track hot anyways and if your DI's and distortion is sounding good then that's all that matters. The way he's gain staging is not totally wrong.
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Agree.
Lots of big name producers track hot anyways and if your DI's and distortion is sounding good then that's all that matters. The way he's gain staging is not totally wrong.
egan.
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Clearly this is a demo that focusrite asked him to do and clearly that's not the interface he normally uses but I don't think anyone is wrong for pointing out that the information isn't totally accurate. I doubt anyone here disputes Misha's talent (they definitely shouldn't), but I guarantee at least one of us will get a client who corrects us based on the dubious information from this video.
For the record, some converters (prism for example) get awesome when you drive them. Most cheaper converters just get ugly though.
For the record, some converters (prism for example) get awesome when you drive them. Most cheaper converters just get ugly though.
Alphanumeric
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Yeah some converters such as all of them over 2 grand haha
I think I've seen Misha use the scarlett in almost every home studio update he's done of late (since getting the axe 2)
I think I've seen Misha use the scarlett in almost every home studio update he's done of late (since getting the axe 2)
egan.
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I could be totally wrong. It just seems strange in the scheme of what's in the room (opals, isa430, axe2, etc.) that he would choose an interface less expensive than his monitor controller. Then again, more people care about his opinion than any of ours so more power to him.
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I was not discussing at all his talent as a musician or anything else but technical things.
"Track hot if it sounds good" is pointless in this case, you can do that if you understand digital audio conversion and levels in the 1st place, and when you can compare both approachs (clean approach VS hot)... but he clearly don't do that for this reason, just for this "better S/N ratio" noob myth bullshit
He speaks to people that mostly use cheap all-in one audio interface and don't even really understand the difference between a HiZ, line, preamp input, what a D/A converter is... so I think the clean/headroom approach should be the norm, assuming everyone is recording in 24bits.
You can start to think of driving preamp input, output and DA converters when you have top notch gear, having control over all these steps and when you know what you're doing.
That's the very serious and pseudo-technical presentation of this that bother me a lot, cause a lot of beginners will apply this like it was word of God and keep spreading this very common mistake.
"Track hot if it sounds good" is pointless in this case, you can do that if you understand digital audio conversion and levels in the 1st place, and when you can compare both approachs (clean approach VS hot)... but he clearly don't do that for this reason, just for this "better S/N ratio" noob myth bullshit
He speaks to people that mostly use cheap all-in one audio interface and don't even really understand the difference between a HiZ, line, preamp input, what a D/A converter is... so I think the clean/headroom approach should be the norm, assuming everyone is recording in 24bits.
You can start to think of driving preamp input, output and DA converters when you have top notch gear, having control over all these steps and when you know what you're doing.
That's the very serious and pseudo-technical presentation of this that bother me a lot, cause a lot of beginners will apply this like it was word of God and keep spreading this very common mistake.
Alphanumeric
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I didn't say that, I said i bet some people start off thinking tracking into the red is good and make a quip about them potentially thinking that the colour means its heavier haha
Having said that, some pros may clip their digital meters in PT intentionally, rather than their gear ... Pensado often clips his lead vox and kick drum "don't worry its hip hop" aha
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@StateOfSerenity - Speaking of clipping meters in the DAW and not the gear, I've had this happen to me before. The interface was definitely not clipping, yet I've had a meter go into the red in Reaper. Not quite sure how this is possible and if it really even matters since you can just pull the fader down anytime and have it be fine. Or I'm guessing you're talking about after a track is recorded and then pushing the fader up into the red.
egan.
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Weird I find this is the other way round for me (axe fx > roland octacapture) in PT I can be peaking around -6, but my roland says the signal is clipping. This may be to do with that I have both my XLR's out of the axe (twice as much volume???) and into 2 roland inputs, I have 2 for stereo fx or 2 cabs, but when it comes to my rhythm patch I just leave them (the worst offender for clipping).
But I don't know about the daw clipping and not the gear, maybe how its calibrated? Logic is different to PT in that respect it looks like its peaking ALL the time when in PT it would be half way down the scale.
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TRUIE
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Depends on the interface and the meters we're talking about.
Indeed, the little green/yellow/red lights like on the Scarlet are kind of useless if you want to do serious work... but if your interface has a built-in metering software (like RME), it might be better using this than trusting your DAW.
It's your interface that do the A/D conversion, and your DAW can also display attenuated values, depending on the pan law you use and the metering unit (FS, RMS...etc).
A simple example : with a pan law of -4.5dB on your DAW, a peak on a mono track input displaying -3dB FS on the DAW will be clipping the A/D (at "+1.5 dB FS").
Indeed, the little green/yellow/red lights like on the Scarlet are kind of useless if you want to do serious work... but if your interface has a built-in metering software (like RME), it might be better using this than trusting your DAW.
It's your interface that do the A/D conversion, and your DAW can also display attenuated values, depending on the pan law you use and the metering unit (FS, RMS...etc).
A simple example : with a pan law of -4.5dB on your DAW, a peak on a mono track input displaying -3dB FS on the DAW will be clipping the A/D (at "+1.5 dB FS").
Kinda made me lol, too.
I mean... he's got an Axe-FX II right there, I don't understand why anyone who's just tracking guitars directly into their computer would use a second interface, the Axe-FX has an interface built in, and I wouldn't doubt that its conversiona nd DI are better.
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