Burzum - Belus (aka "Den Hvite Guden") (2010)
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I've never bothered to listen to his all ambient stuff. I figure if I wanted that I'm sure there's some stuff that's better made by artists who focus on that style and aren't in prison.
Mort Divine
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Doomguy
This is huh, wow...
Master_Yoda77
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Doomguy
This is huh, wow...
Varg seems rather cautious about how people view his political and religious status.
Anybody remember the "Non-Satanic" sticker at the bottom of Aske?
Anybody remember the "Non-Satanic" sticker at the bottom of Aske?
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Since when did Varg care what the mainstream media thinks of him? Last time I checked he burned churches and killed people, and now he is worrying about complaints regarding an album title? ...jail made him a softie
Besides, the people that are offended by the original title are people that don't listen to black metal so it wouldn't really affect his sales
Besides, the people that are offended by the original title are people that don't listen to black metal so it wouldn't really affect his sales
Koude Haat
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Probably a money issue. I'm sure he wants magazines and press to cover this release. Usually certain magazines refuse to even acknowledge NSBM albums. Not that burzum is NSBM, but seems he is trying to distance himself from being a Nazi shithead.
Hubster
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The conspiracy theories in this thread are pathetic. It's called common sense: he is on parole. Go figure.
I'd say Der Tod Wuotans is his best ambient track. Read the story for it, it matches perfectly with the way the song is composed. My skin crawled when I first listened to it, it's beautiful.
I'd say Der Tod Wuotans is his best ambient track. Read the story for it, it matches perfectly with the way the song is composed. My skin crawled when I first listened to it, it's beautiful.
Einherjar86
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I'm not sure what the laws are in Norway, but I'm pretty sure parole doesn't affect your freedom of speech.
Hubster
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No, parole does not effect free speech. However, again put two and two together:
If anyone in this thread has researched his situation properly you would know he needs to be on very good behaviour.
Vikernes' verdict and sentence was ultimately determined by media, not by law. Despite him being a murder, his sentence was extremely severe by Norwegian justice system standards, everyone knows this.
Strong far-right political association (well, at least publicly) from him will only land him back in jail again. He needs to be very careful in how he handles his public dealings and any political statements he makes need to be somewhat conservative in strength.
Even his relationship with Cymophane Productions needs to be cut off, if it hasn't already (seems to be, given they're not releasing the new record).
Everyone expects comments of extremism from him, but rest assured he is being closely monitored by the Norwegian justice system. They will not be lenient with him by their standards.
If anyone in this thread has researched his situation properly you would know he needs to be on very good behaviour.
Vikernes' verdict and sentence was ultimately determined by media, not by law. Despite him being a murder, his sentence was extremely severe by Norwegian justice system standards, everyone knows this.
Strong far-right political association (well, at least publicly) from him will only land him back in jail again. He needs to be very careful in how he handles his public dealings and any political statements he makes need to be somewhat conservative in strength.
Even his relationship with Cymophane Productions needs to be cut off, if it hasn't already (seems to be, given they're not releasing the new record).
Everyone expects comments of extremism from him, but rest assured he is being closely monitored by the Norwegian justice system. They will not be lenient with him by their standards.
Sven Pakkanen
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Exactly right. And besides, at this point, Varg has all the publicity he needs at this point, his album will sell plenty well on its own regardless of the quality. He is watching his words for other reasons: He has obviously matured, at least a little; he is on parole, and if he gives them an excuse to throw him into jail again they will; and lastly if I were him I would know enough people hate me already. I'm not saying he is afraid of getting the shit kicked out of him (or worse) but it is a possibility, I'm sure he considers that.
Hubster
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^ Definitely, agreed.
His release would have rocked the inner politics of the scene, and the album will do that even more. His presence outside of jail carries a lot of weight and probably "unfinished business" and he would do well to conduct himself properly. There's certainly people out there who want to kick his ass, but I'd say that the Norwegian authorities are protecting him to an extent as well. There's too much publicity in regards to all this, after all, he is one of the most notorious criminals in Scandic Europe of all time.
His release would have rocked the inner politics of the scene, and the album will do that even more. His presence outside of jail carries a lot of weight and probably "unfinished business" and he would do well to conduct himself properly. There's certainly people out there who want to kick his ass, but I'd say that the Norwegian authorities are protecting him to an extent as well. There's too much publicity in regards to all this, after all, he is one of the most notorious criminals in Scandic Europe of all time.
skeptik
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There's also the very likely possibility that he didn't want to specter of racism to hang over his new work so outwardly and would rather simply change the title of the album than to constantly have the idea of race conjured in the minds of anyone who picks up the new album due to a misunderstanding of the album title.
Hubster
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True.
A long-winded argument, but I don't think he is racist in terms of the normal definition of racism. I believe he is a racialist (a wanky term in itself). I still dont agree with racialism, but I can understand the motive behind cultural preservation, nothing wrong with that.
And let's be honest here, he has 4 million NOK to pay for the arsons. This album, and the next few, need to pay some bills
A long-winded argument, but I don't think he is racist in terms of the normal definition of racism. I believe he is a racialist (a wanky term in itself). I still dont agree with racialism, but I can understand the motive behind cultural preservation, nothing wrong with that.
And let's be honest here, he has 4 million NOK to pay for the arsons. This album, and the next few, need to pay some bills
Alteredmindeath
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so he changed the album title to belus because of complaints about racism. What are anti racist people doing reading burzum updates, and since it's not a racist title why pussout and change it?
Einherjar86
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But they can't put him in jail for being racist. And he is such an obscure figure that the global media won't pay him much attention. The metal community knows of his crimes, but most of us (I'd venture) would still purchase his new album even if he maintains his views. Which, as you say, he is doing. I honestly don't think he has much to worry about as far as keeping a tight lip.
Hubster
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In terms of global media, no, so you are correct.
But in terms of Norwegian, I would say different story. His trial and sentence are a testament to the corruption of the Norsk justice system. It was his affiliation with the political far-right and his statements which got his parole knocked back a number of times, he certainly didn't do himself any favours.
Look at the West Memphis Three, how fucked are things for them? They're obviously innocent, and yet the media is why they're in jail in the first place. Now their fight for freedom has become so blurred that the legal system in their state keeps them incarcerated under the suspicion of Echols being a satanist when in fact he is Pagan. It was a witch-hunt, trialled by media.
Remember, for us in the West... UK, AU and US, our media hasn't taken notice of Vikernes or the arsons that much. But in Norway? Even the loneliest farmer knows who Greven ("The Count") is.
The arsons especially upset a lot of Norwegians because of their strong Christian and conservative culture. They don't speak of him much now, but they will never forget him. The early 90's rocked their country to its heart. Ask any Norwegian.
But in terms of Norwegian, I would say different story. His trial and sentence are a testament to the corruption of the Norsk justice system. It was his affiliation with the political far-right and his statements which got his parole knocked back a number of times, he certainly didn't do himself any favours.
Look at the West Memphis Three, how fucked are things for them? They're obviously innocent, and yet the media is why they're in jail in the first place. Now their fight for freedom has become so blurred that the legal system in their state keeps them incarcerated under the suspicion of Echols being a satanist when in fact he is Pagan. It was a witch-hunt, trialled by media.
Remember, for us in the West... UK, AU and US, our media hasn't taken notice of Vikernes or the arsons that much. But in Norway? Even the loneliest farmer knows who Greven ("The Count") is.
The arsons especially upset a lot of Norwegians because of their strong Christian and conservative culture. They don't speak of him much now, but they will never forget him. The early 90's rocked their country to its heart. Ask any Norwegian.
