Can Doom be without metal?

[Crimson Death]

As in Doom music and not Doom metal.

For example a very addicting song I've been listening to all week long

King Crimson - Starless, from the album Red

This song is very doom, but it's not metal, and it's before doom metal was ever made....

What I mean is that the music has the same feeling of doom to me but without the heavyness or the sharp edge, but it's very bleaky IMO.

Erez

 

[Lier in Wait]

Yes, u just listen to LYCIA... it's doom without brutal guitar fuzz

 

[BillowOfZeal]

I believe there to be a lot of very doomy classical out there.

Elend
Jerry Goldsmith (the Omen scores among others)
Danny Elfman
plus many other composers

 

[Don Corleone]

try "stoner rock."

some kyuss perhaps?

 

[Her own Pride]

music has become so abused, you have the following:

Pop/Dance music
Rock/Pop (including heavy music, its not anyones fault that they cant hear what a distorted guitar is doing)
And Classical.

Doom? for christ sake, its going to get to a pint eventually where every song is considered to be a different type of music. Rock is sad and happy, that does not mean you should separate it. This is a moral thing that should not be abused. I argue his case because I believe people are fooling themselves. After Hearing Sisters Of Nercy (consididered to be the daddy of goth) I though "These are an amazing rock band". They are not goth for christ sake they are rock with some great songs. I love them and this constant crap about what type of music a band is has got to stop. Listen and enjoy, if it is loud and heavy call it loud and heavy, not "DEATH METAL" for fucks sake!!!. (by the way for those who think I know nothing I love At the Gates and have 3 albums of theirs!!)

 

[Parasite]

Doom Metal, without metal would probably turn out sounding like goth rock (ie: London After Midnight, Christian Death, Bauhaus.)

*shrug*

 

[IcemanJ256]

"Starless" is awesome. I never really thought it to be 'doomy' though, but it does have that sort of feeling through the first part of the song.

 

[MacMoney]

Originally posted by Crimson Death
As in Doom music and not Doom metal.

For example a very addicting song I've been listening to all week long

King Crimson - Starless, from the album Red

This song is very doom, but it's not metal, and it's before doom metal was ever made....

What I mean is that the music has the same feeling of doom to me but without the heavyness or the sharp edge, but it's very bleaky IMO.

Erez

Well, the song is certainly sad but not really that doomy.

Yes, u just listen to LYCIA... it's doom without brutal guitar fuzz

Lycia is more in the ambient goth vein than anything else.

 

[MindMorgue]

Originally posted by Her own Pride
music has become so abused, you have the following:

Pop/Dance music
Rock/Pop (including heavy music, its not anyones fault that they cant hear what a distorted guitar is doing)
And Classical.

Doom? for christ sake, its going to get to a pint eventually where every song is considered to be a different type of music. Rock is sad and happy, that does not mean you should separate it. This is a moral thing that should not be abused. I argue his case because I believe people are fooling themselves. After Hearing Sisters Of Nercy (consididered to be the daddy of goth) I though "These are an amazing rock band". They are not goth for christ sake they are rock with some great songs. I love them and this constant crap about what type of music a band is has got to stop. Listen and enjoy, if it is loud and heavy call it loud and heavy, not "DEATH METAL" for fucks sake!!!. (by the way for those who think I know nothing I love At the Gates and have 3 albums of theirs!!)

Yeah, great. That's usefull. Why go that far then. why not just call everything music. Wouldn't want anything getting labelled now would we.

Coarse sisters of mercy are goth.

 

[yourdeadgroom]

Originally posted by Her own Pride
this constant crap about what type of music a band is has got to stop.

I disagree strongly.

However, not strongly enough to be bothered expanding on that idea

 

[the_joy_of_grief]

I have no idea. But I just got Beyond Dawn's first album "Pity Love" and found it somewhat doomy. My two cents.

 

[kamikaze]

Doom has been around in one form or another since the 70's with Black Sabbath leading the way. It doesnt have to be heavy though, Rock music can definately have a doom edge to it.

 

[Mister Nobody]

Andrew Eldritch would probably try to kill you for calling him a goth, he hates goths.

 

[BoF]

you can continue to discuss this in a fooking lifetime, and never get to an agreement... I like Doommetal, and those who categories My Dying Bride as "doom" are right! - the end

 

[kamikaze]

I agree, My Dying Bride definately kick my sorry ass

 

[MindMorgue]

Originally posted by Mister Nobody
Andrew Eldritch would probably try to kill you for calling him a goth, he hates goths.

Well possibly, but that doesn't mean he's not one. Actually the fact that he hates goths almost proves that he is one

 

[Mister Nobody]

Hahaha, maybe you're right, he even bleached his hair to separate himself from the image.

 

[LoboUivante]

im listening to Elohim Meth... it doesn't sound like Doom Metal... but at the time Katatonia where a doom metal band... so i guess that makes it a doom metal song

 

[discouraged1]

doom without metal?
Black Sabbath.

Or Depeche Mode's In Your Room...

 

[pagan2002]

proper doom has nothing to do with metal .its more to do with breakdowns and insanity and life ruining events. at least thats what my songs are about.