Christian Black Metal!

[GeertSamuel]

A lot more advanced, civil and less crowded. Why? Your guess is as good as mine. We simply don't know.

More advanced, not necceserily.
More civil, yes let's all have gangbangs, drive by shootings, civil wars for the sake of land....things that religion created.
Less crowded, ..

If the fight against religion doesn't have a vision of how the earth should look then, or how lives should be lived, why oh why are you 100% sure that religion isn't a good thing?

So, christianity was the main religion in europe that time. Now that leaves us with people from North & South America, Asia & Africa to start thinking about scientific development in that time... Owhhh gosh, we've got to blame someone...blame the christians...

 

[ahjteam]

http://www.bleakwail.com/

http://www.bleakwail.com/samples/01-bleakwail-a_bleak_wail.mp3

A bleak wail

My vision of the existance
all blurred by a gray cloud
a slave I am of my misery;
a thrall of my funereal bounds

Is this the end of my wandering?
am I to depart these realms?
please Lord, enlighten my spirit
and make my wailing cease

Mourning stays upon my lips
from dawn to the very night
depart from me, you lucky fools,
I cannot stand your sight

yet; myself I am only to blame
casting surrounding friends away
again teach me to enjoy my life
physician almighty, hear my wail

"The Lord has given, and the Lord has taken away
exalted be the Lord's name"
(Job 1:21)

In the darkest chains of wretchedness
life still continues on
I walk onward day by day
forth better tomorrow ahead

and eternal life and glory waits
for those who walk in faith
at hard times he will carry me
when my own efforts are in vain

 

[GeertSamuel]

Actually...I just wanted to make fun of "Christian Black Metal" a little bit

Atleast the outcome of that, non-christian and christian, can agree on...it's just crap ...

 

[James Murphy]

Is christianity the only religion that bothers you that much? Or do you hate religion in general?

opposed to organized religion in general.

How do you think the modern world would look without ANY religion?

much much much more peaceful and sane.

 

[grywolf627]

Thank you for proving my point, james. *kisses*

 

[lilhermiejobo]

Oh my bad, I thought I saw something they call a blue whale in mythology in the ocean. I must have been on acid.

Dont blue whales generally live in extreme depths of the ocean?
Considering the estimated 326 million trillion gallons of water on earth and the 40 days of reported rainfall, to me the most logical explaination would simply be that due to salt water being heavier than fresh water, the rain would have effected sea life at the top levels of the ocean without disturbing (too much at least) the dense salt water living creatures towards the bottom.

Dont do acid. Drugs are bad m'kay?

 

[paladin shredder]

All of you guys are wrong. You all need to learn how to channel your inner dolphin spirit.

 

[SocialNumb]

More advanced, not necceserily.
More civil, yes let's all have gangbangs, drive by shootings, civil wars for the sake of land....things that religion created.
Less crowded, ..

If the fight against religion doesn't have a vision of how the earth should look then, or how lives should be lived, why oh why are you 100% sure that religion isn't a good thing?

Religion created Gang Bangs? good job!


I can see where this is going. "Where do we get our morals from then?" Just look at the prison system in America. Christianity isn't helping matters much.

What makes you think people aren't doing "gangbangs, drive by shootings, civil wars for the sake of land"? Religion isn't helping matters much here either. If anything, it helps to inspire such acts.

A "vision" for the future? A peaceful non-supernatural world where this could not happen.

 

[STINNETT]

So, christianity was the main religion in europe that time. Now that leaves us with people from North & South America, Asia & Africa to start thinking about scientific development in that time... Owhhh gosh, we've got to blame someone...blame the christians...

Different parts of the world developed at vastly different rates. That has nothing to do with the point of that image.

The dark ages impacted that particular area of the world which was at the forefront of scientific advancement. It stifled and violently repressed that advancment. If it had its way, it would continue to do so, and nowhere is this more clearly illustrated than in the lunatic ravings of modern day Christian fundamentalists.

What you seem to be saying is akin to dismissing the murder of a great scientist because "someone else could have come up with that stuff eventually".

 

[GarethSE]

I just find it funny when a Christian (or religious person in general) says "it's just my choice mannnn, I don't belittle your beliefs!" Or something to that effect.

In the eyes of a lot of Atheists, this is as good as saying "While you have chosen to follow a path that believes in Science and its advancement, rational and logical thinking and the rejection of cruelty, war, misogyny and genocide all in the name of a being that cannot be proved to exist and in all likelygood, never will be, I have chosen to go the exact opposite direction."
Even if you're a peaceful Christian that keeps to himself, it doesn't change the fact that you're allying yourself with something that has been the cause of so much suffering and squander, because as the old adage goes "If someone buys a toaster and it works, they will tell their next door neighbour. If someone buys a toaster and it breaks, they'll tell their whole street."
Throughout all the ages there have been peaceful Christians who have gotten on with their beliefs and not bothered anyone else with it, I'm sure, but there has always been suffering and squander of our potential as human beings in the name of various Deities, be it God, Allah, Yahweh, Jehova or anything else.
Fundamentalists are the ones that make their voices heard, and they're the ones that are holding back the speed of scientific advancement, personal liberties, education.

So forgive us for being offended and so forward in our view points, but I feel any Atheist has the right to be pissed off and pushy.

 

[STINNETT]

Dont blue whales generally live in extreme depths of the ocean?
Considering the estimated 326 million trillion gallons of water on earth and the 40 days of reported rainfall, to me the most logical explaination would simply be that due to salt water being heavier than fresh water, the rain would have effected sea life at the top levels of the ocean without disturbing (too much at least) the dense salt water living creatures towards the bottom.

And if the persistance of blue whales was the only logical obstacle in the way of proving "Noah's Ark" to be anything but absolutely preposterous - you might be onto something!

 

[SocialNumb]

Dont blue whales generally live in extreme depths of the ocean?
Considering the estimated 326 million trillion gallons of water on earth and the 40 days of reported rainfall, to me the most logical explaination would simply be that due to salt water being heavier than fresh water, the rain would have effected sea life at the top levels of the ocean without disturbing (too much at least) the dense salt water living creatures towards the bottom.

Dont do acid. Drugs are bad m'kay?

I would have rather you said "it was a miracle and I have faith, God put them in his pocket".

I posted this sometime ago. I'm still trying to understand it fully. What do you think?

http://www.ultimatemetal.com/forum/off-topic-tavern/542035-i-suck-math-help.html

 

[GeertSamuel]

So this means there is also a big group of people that's brainwashed by books that lead to believe that religion is the evil-doing in this world. And now, all you nee-sayers to religion, believe that a world without religion is a better world, while a couple of million of you read the same book, agree on what the book says, fight christianity, muslim, buddhism...are we brainwashed by our bible, or are you brainwashed by the books you read about anti-religion?

A religion is a system of human thought which usually includes a set of narratives, symbols, beliefs and practices that give meaning to the practitioner's experiences of life through reference to a higher power, deity or deities, or ultimate truth.

So the fact that you read books about anti-religion, claim there is no "real" religion, put those thoughts into practices because, to YOU that's the ultimate truth... makes you have your own religion!

 

[lilhermiejobo]

And if the persistance of blue whales was the only logical obstacle in the way of proving "Noah's Ark" to be anything but absolutely preposterous - you might be onto something!

What?
That just seemed to be the most logical explaination. I'm a bit confused as to how having faith in God automatically leaves anything scientific out of the equation.
Being that my belief in God is that He created the universe, science is a very real part of the universe (whether or not I am a scientist, which I am NOT ).

 

[GarethSE]

I haven't read any anti-religion books, personally.

I haven't even read The God Delusion. How'd ya like them apples?

edit: we've also been here before. The reason it's called Atheism is because it's the ABSENCE of all religious belief. Like atonality is the absence of tonality or whatever.
Theist/Atheist. Tonal/Atonal. You get the picture?
The only thing all Atheists have in common is the belief that God does not exist. Religion is far more specific in that it's about a belief in a higher power beyond our own, namely that being God, Allah, etcetc.

 

[STINNETT]

So this means there is also a big group of people that's brainwashed by books that lead to believe that religion is the evil-doing in this world. And now, all you nee-sayers to religion, believe that a world without religion is a better world, while a couple of million of you read the same book, agree on what the book says, fight christianity, muslim, buddhism...are we brainwashed by our bible, or are you brainwashed by the books you read about anti-religion?



So the fact that you read books about anti-religion, claim there is no "real" religion, put those thoughts into practices because, to YOU that's the ultimate truth... makes you have your own religion!

The whole "atheism as a religion" thing is nothing new, and has been dismantled numerous times. Do you really want to get into that? I'm game if you are.

 

[STINNETT]

What?

It sounded to me like you were defending the biblical flood story. If not....nevermind.

 

[spioraid]

Different parts of the world developed at vastly different rates. That has nothing to do with the point of that image.

The dark ages impacted that particular area of the world which was at the forefront of scientific advancement. It stifled and violently repressed that advancment. If it had its way, it would continue to do so, and nowhere is this more clearly illustrated than in the lunatic ravings of modern day Christian fundamentalists.

What you seem to be saying is akin to dismissing the murder of a great scientist because "someone else could have come up with that stuff eventually".

Hmmm. Word.

Unfortunately history has been taught so that the basis of the end of that dark reign is unclear. Essentially it started with the Protestant Reformation with people like Martin Luther, John Knox and John Calvin. Some of you guys would surprised at how much you would agree with John Calvin on civil affairs.

Anyway, back to the topic of the thread:

TBH I don't think Christian Black Metal/Un-Black Metal/White Metal really exists anymore. Sure we had the aforementioned Mortification and Extol, as well as other metal bands like Sacrament, Believer, Living Sacrifice and Tourniquet. The majority of Christian hard music has developed into the hardcore scene or is stuck in metalcore.

 

[TheDriller]

this thread can only get more awesome from here

 

[James Murphy]

More advanced, not necceserily.

oh most certainly... can you say Galileo Galilei? Copernicus? are you denying the stultifying effects of the inquisition alone, never-mind the innumerable other eras and mechanisms of religious censorship, on scientific advancement??

More civil, yes let's all have gangbangs, drive by shootings, civil wars for the sake of land....things that religion created.

i surely hope this isn't a stab at the age old, and ridiculously easy to refute, argument that somehow religion has a monopoly on ethics and morality. if it is, shame on you.:Smug:

Less crowded, ..

"be fruitful and multiply", a biblical maxim, without which the world would most certainly be less crowded. never-mind, or perhaps part and parcel with, the biblical proscription against birth control. "goggly eyes" indeed.

If the fight against religion doesn't have a vision of how the earth should look then, or how lives should be lived, why oh why are you 100% sure that religion isn't a good thing?

why do you assume that the secular world-view has "no vision of how the earth should look", or "how lives should be lived"? again with the pretensions of religion to a claim of being the source of morality, ethics, and the possibility of human prosperity and happiness. i'll have none of it.

So, christianity was the main religion in europe that time. Now that leaves us with people from North & South America, Asia & Africa to start thinking about scientific development in that time... Owhhh gosh, we've got to blame someone...blame the christians...

and China at that time had already developed quite far scientifically, and in terms of literacy, literature, astronomy, etc... so why did "god" ignore them and reveal himself only to a group of illiterate peasant farmers in the bronze-age middle-east?? it couldn't have had anything to do with the fact that the region had scores of guys wandering around claiming to be prophets in that era, many with quite sizable followings, and a marked propensity for apocalyptic rantings, now could it?


FTR, this is not personal to you Funky... you're cool, and we're cool... it's just one of my favorite subjects to debate. please do not take any of this personally. that being said.. the gloves are off!