Christians suck; world still turns

macro =/= micro

So you think because science has proven microevolution but not macroevolution, this means the likelihood of a creationist basis of macroevolution is just as likely as a scientific basis?

Why don't you try showing evidence for God causing even microevolution before you go dismissing science so quickly?
 
Believing in a higher power and embracing a religion are two different things. And evolution is a theory which can never be scientifically proven, just like creation is a theory which can never be scientifically proven. But thats for another thread too.

1) There is pretty good evidence that at least 3/4 of Americans are Christian. Please find some contrary evidence before just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing.

2) The point Dodens was getting at was that the number of people who believe in creationism is directly linked to the number of religious people. Most people aren't going to hold such a ludicrous argued-from-ignorance belief as creationism without already holding an equally baseless belief that a god exists.
 
macro =/= micro

There is no such thing as "micro evolution" and "macro evolution" when you are talking about actual evolutionary mechanisms. The latter is the cumulative result of the former over extremely long timespans.

Macro evolution the way it is defined by creationists is simply impossible, and no scientist has ever claimed otherwise. So infact science and creationism agree completely there. It's just that creationists refuse to accept that micro evolution can over long periods of time radically change an organism by making tiny incremental steps, they instead think that there is some sort of arbitrary "threshold" that limits evolution, though ofcourse they have never actually quantified this in any way.
 
Right, it's basically an extra line in the sand drawn by creationists in order to make up for losing part of the argument. Then they assume creationist theory is still at least as valid as evolution theory despite this handicapped standard.

The same thing happens when scientists estimate the age of the universe due to the position and velocity of stars we see. Young-Earth theorists like to claim that because we can't actually go back in time and witness the timeline of the universe first-hand, science has no argument - despite the fact that the observations made about the cosmos are entirely physically consistent with phenomena observed here on earth. It's hilarious.
 
With any luck you will soon have a vice president who believes that. Unless that is just another lie, but considering she apparently believes in witches I wouldn't put it past her. It really is frightening that people so irrational and oblivious to science are put in charge of a country as powerful as America.
 
Yeah, politically and socially the U.S. is backwards as hell compared to Europe these days. It sucks.
 
V5: I think, although your insults are generally spot on, they do more harm than good. We all get angry and insults are bound to be thrown, but insulting a stupid person will only make them vocal and make it seem as if the only rebuttal to their ideas is an ad hominem. In real life if Barack Obama said to John McCain "you are a stupid faggot", despite the truthfulness of the statement, it would make McCain's ideas seem more reasonable than if Obama articulately explains why they are wrong.

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Dude, read the thread. This has been explained multiple times.

Also I support whatever CAIRATH says about Evolution. I have read a lot about the subject and frankly if you don't believe in it then you are ignorant. I no longer have the energy to explain why so listen to CAIRATH.
 
I usually only insult people when it seems like they won't entertain my actual arguments anyway. I don't care if it's illogical to insult people if they won't show logic to my ideas. But OK.
 
1) There is pretty good evidence that at least 3/4 of Americans are Christian. Please find some contrary evidence before just disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing.

Ill repeat myself since you didn't get it the first time. Seriously, people have no reading comprehension anymore.

Just because someone checked a box in some survey doesn't make it so.

I don't really give a shit about what people say. I look at what gets done. Results = truth.
Like Bush claiming before we launched the war on the world that "war wasn't his first choice". Like he claimed a week ago about the bailout that "government intervention in free markets wasn't his first choice". Who gives a fuck about what was or was not his first choice? Bottom line is we are at war and they are pushing this bullshit bailout through. But all the populace buys every piece of bullshit they get from their favorite talking head.