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[Blurry_Dreams]

yeah, i get what you're saying
but with miles morales they killed off a long-running version of peter that people loved, and the fans of the ultimates universe were pissed off that a well-done version of peter died

with spider gwen they didn't do that
they didn't kill off a character that people had been following
and with spider Gwen they were also kinda resurrecting a dead character that people still loved
a lot of the older readers instantly fell in love with the idea that their beloved gwen had kinda came back from the dead

 

[Krigloch the Furious]

I haven't read the Miles stuff, but it's supposed to be really good

 

[CiG]

yeah, i get what you're saying
but with miles morales they killed off a long-running version of peter that people loved, and the fans of the ultimates universe were pissed off that a well-done version of peter died

with spider gwen they didn't do that
they didn't kill off a character that people had been following
and with spider Gwen they were also kinda resurrecting a dead character that people still loved
a lot of the older readers instantly fell in love with the idea that their beloved gwen had kinda came back from the dead

Spider-Gwen's treatment of Peter Parker was worse! I'd rather Peter get killed off than get mutated into an unrecognizable character who no longer stands by his own ethics and betrays all the traits we saw established over decades of stories.

Spider-Gwen was horrendous, a blatant co-opting of Spider-Man by political hacks who have no respect for the characters. I'll take Miles Morales over that bullshit 10 times out of 10.

 

[Blurry_Dreams]

i'll be honest, the miles morales stuff is actually kinda good, but you didn't need to kill of an awesome version of peter parker to make a black superhero

 

[Blurry_Dreams]

Spider-Gwen's treatment of Peter Parker was worse! I'd rather Peter get killed off than get mutated into an unrecognizable character who no longer stands by his own ethics and betrays all the traits we saw established over decades of stories.

Spider-Gwen was horrendous, a blatant co-opting of Spider-Man by political hacks who have no respect for the characters. I'll take Miles Morales over that bullshit 10 times out of 10.

miles morales was a blatant hijacking of the ultimate-universe spider-man comic by pro-black political hacks

 

[CiG]

I'm not saying I love the Miles Morales stuff, there was definitely some dodgy ulterior motives for creating the character and killing off Peter Parker, especially given that Axel Alonso and Brian Michael Bendis are total SJW bozos, but I think it's worlds above the Gwen stuff. That material was riddled with political dog whistles but it was all done in such a hamfisted poorly written way with a sideshow of watching Peter Parker become an unrecognizable lump of shit.

Also it's not as if Morales was the first non-white Spider-Man, for example he was Mexican in Spider-Man 2099.

Obviously I'm not American but I do think that Miles Morales makes a lot of sense for a new generation of Spider-Man readers, if we consider the racial landscape of the American inner city and Spider-Man's place within that context. As his name suggests he's not just black he's black and latino.

Speaking of, I think this looks interesting.



I think it's a good thing that they tried to tap into hip hop culture with Miles Morales rather than the progressive minority culture of the college campus.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

yea but the 2099 series is an alternate/future universe. That being i said i dont think they should inject todays poisonous political agendas into fucking comic books.

 

[CiG]

yea but the 2099 series is an alternate/future universe.

Indeed.

 

[Blurry_Dreams]

That being i said i dont think they should inject todays poisonous political agendas into fucking comic books.

the way brie larson is trying to turn the Captain Marvel movie into a feminist-political statement is pretty bad

 

[CiG]

She's an insufferable fuck.

 

[Blurry_Dreams]

the way brie talks about the girl-power of the movie, it sounds like she was the fucking writer and/or director
even though the way disney is making these MCU movies, the no fucking way in hell brie herself could have had any control over content of the movie at all whatsoever

 

[CiG]

It's obvious she had little control because she's acting as if Captain Marvel is some big important character when in reality she's a c-list character who has struggled to take off in the comics, seems like every other day she has a new no. 1 etc. Marvel desperately want to ride the wave of Wonder Woman but Marvel never really made an a-list female superhero like DC did so they're grasping at straws.

I bet Brie doesn't even know that her character will soon be in a coma.

 

[Blurry_Dreams]

what i meant was the way all the movies are tied together
you're prolly gonna have huge chunks of avengers 4 that won't completely make sense unless you've seen certain scenes in Captain Marvel, this has got to be the reason why Carol Danvers got her own fucking movie PRIOR to black widow getting her solo movie

think about how they didn't fire James Gunn from being DIRECTOR of gaurdians vol 3 untill AFTER he'd finished the script where they've painted themselves into a corner, the movies are so completely interconnected that they will absolutely HAVE to use Gunn's script in order for the MCU movies to continue to make sense
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[CiG]

what i meant was the way all the movies are tied together
you're prolly gonna have huge chunks of avengers 4 that won't completely make sense unless you've seen certain scenes in Captain Marvel, this has got to be the reason why Carol Danvers got her own fucking movie PRIOR to black widow getting her solo movie

You're putting the cart before the horse. They didn't need a Captain Marvel movie, that's not why she got her own solo film before Black Widow, they could've just as easily not put a film between the Avengers films, but they did so and added scenes to make the following film complete to legitimize a Captain Marvel film. It could've been literally any other character with some Avengers 4 sprinkled throughout.

Marvel are doing everything they can think of to make Captain Marvel an important character when she's just not. Assuming that her film was made because she's important to the MCU is falling for their gimmick, when in reality they wanted a female-lead blockbuster to compete with Wonder Woman, saw that zero female Marvel characters have name recognition anywhere near the level of Wonder Woman, so they're pulling Captain Marvel out of their asses because at least their company's name is contained within her name and that adds to her name recognition.

They just added all that MCU plot shit to make the movie relevant.

 

[Blurry_Dreams]

Marvel are doing everything they can think of to make Captain Marvel an important character when she's just not. Assuming that her film was made because she's important to the MCU is falling for their gimmick, when in reality they wanted a female-lead blockbuster to compete with Wonder Woman, saw that zero female Marvel characters have name recognition anywhere near the level of Wonder Woman, so they're pulling Captain Marvel out of their asses because at least their company's name is contained within her name and that adds to her name recognition.

fans have been asking for a movie titled "black widow" for a very very long time
straight guys and lesbians are in lust with the black widow character (not merely the actress playing her) and black widow is also a character people love on a non-sexual way
in fact
a lot of the people that are pissed off about the captain marvel movie are really just mostly pissed off about Carol danvers getting her movie before black widow gets a solo movie

 

[CiG]

I disagree, they're pissed off for a multitude of reasons and Black Widow being delayed is hardly the main reason or even one I hear brought up that often. That said it does suck balls that Black Widow doesn't have a film yet, for me she's one of the few genuinely interesting characters in this whole MCU mess.

 

[Blurry_Dreams]

from a making-money-standpoint
the only legit reason to let carol danvers get her movie before black widow would be doing a set-up for
a-force movie - Google Search

 

[CiG]

Dude how dense are you? The main legit money-making reason to give her a movie before anybody or at all is to try and cash in on the current pop feminism trend which lead to Wonder Woman having an insanely successful film that Marvel now wants to replicate. Stop with this fanboy shit, you're missing the forest for the trees. Black Widow is a normal mortal woman, her solo film wouldn't be equal to Wonder Woman, Marvel wants something equivalent to an unbeatable female feminist icon.

Even an A-Force film would just be a further cash in on this trend, since it would be an all-female comic book film.

 

[CiG]

Gimme dat She-Hulk TBH.

 

[Blurry_Dreams]

my fanboy shit was basically just this
they missed a chance to make bank
if they'd just made a black widow movie immediately after (or even before) wonder-woman hit theaters
the black widow movie would have made bank (perhaps even more than it is going to make now)
they didn't even greenlight a black widow movie until after they started principal photography on Captain Marvel