Controversial opinions on metal

[rusty water]

when I said mainstream I was meaning bands like Abba etc. I was thinking along the lines of Ozzy becoming more mainstream in the world when they did `the Osbournes` tv show etc. I mean, Im a huge fan of Randy Rhoads, and rate him highly, but they werent `mainstream`, no one heard of them outside of metal fans.

 

[no country for old wainds]

vol. 4 > s/t > paranoid > masters of reality > sabbath bloody sabbath > sabotage

 

[Internally Deformed]

Not enough controversial opinions.

How about this: metal has exhausted its potential for progression and will be as stagnant and dead as punk music in the next ten years.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

when I said mainstream I was meaning bands like Abba etc. I was thinking along the lines of Ozzy becoming more mainstream in the world when they did `the Osbournes` tv show etc. I mean, Im a huge fan of Randy Rhoads, and rate him highly, but they werent `mainstream`, no one heard of them outside of metal fans.

The concept of metal fans did not exist when their debut came out. It was a popular album and so were the next several. You're trying to act like nobody knew who Black Sabbath was in the 1970s when they were one of the most known rock bands around.

As a solo musician, Ozzy Osbourne is also one of the most successful of all time. He also is not an underground musician at all.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Paranoid > Vol.4 > Master of Reality > Sabbath Bloody Sabbath > Black Sabbath > Sabotage

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Yea, Ozzy's solo stuff is so far from being underground.

 

[Oblivious Maximus]

I mean, Sabbath wasn't the most shocking thing ever to my ears, I'd already imbibed in the rawest stuff I could find up to that point with bands like The Sonics, The Stooges, The MC5, The Jimi Hendrix Experience, Blue Cheer, The Kinks, etc. However, it was something of a seismic shift, because I can't remember knowing how to categorize Sabbath initially other than that they were some sort of super mutation of hard rock. It was like they'd happened upon the secret recipe to the most epic and evil sounding coagulation of sound in musical form.

When you listen to the Sabbath debut you know you're listening to something special. Brilliant as the follow-up's were, that first album has a certain vibe to it. Difficult to describe, but when you hear it you immediately pick up on it. Even Ozzy's vocals have a somewhat different tone to them.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

Black Sabbath received RIAA gold and platinum certifications during the 1970s and 1980s.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

@TechnicalBarbarity Which is saying something given it still kicks ass, although I find Vol. 4 the most wanting of the first six personally.

yeah, i love Vol. 4. Under the Sun is one of my all time favorite songs. Funny thing is most people dont even know that track actually samples/"borrows from" Deep Purples Flight of the Rat. Although some fanboys will blatantly deny this fact.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

I have Vol. 4 rated like this

Wheels of Confusion - 5/5
Tomorrow's Dream - 4
Changes - 2
Supernaut - 5
Snowblind - 5
Cornucopia - 4.5
Laguna Sunrise - 4
St. Vitus Dance - 4
Under the Sun - 5

 

[The Butt]

Paranoid > Vol.4 > Master of Reality > Sabbath Bloody Sabbath > Black Sabbath > Sabotage

Vol. 4 > Sabbath Bloody Sabbath > Sabotage > Paranoid > Black Sabbath > Master of Reality > Technical Ecstasy > Never Say Die

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

glad to see Vol. 4 getting some love.

 

[no country for old wainds]

i really like 'changes' these days, fits the mood of the album i think. otherwise i more or less agree, 'cept i'd have 'supernaut' and especially 'st. vitus dance' lower.

Not enough controversial opinions.

How about this: metal has exhausted its potential for progression and will be as stagnant and dead as punk music in the next ten years.

this mostly happened like 20 years ago didn't you get the memo

 

[CiG]

Not enough controversial opinions.

How about this: metal has exhausted its potential for progression and will be as stagnant and dead as punk music in the next ten years.

Not everybody cares, some of us like that metal can still be connected to it's roots with ease.

 

[Internally Deformed]

Not everybody cares, some of us like that metal can still be connected to it's roots with ease.

I only worry as I think without evolution the listener base will decline, and there will be fewer new bands producing fewer good albums to listen to. There are still plenty of fans atm, but the 2010's seem to have been the worst decade for metal so far.

 

[CiG]

I only worry as I think without evolution the listener base will decline, and there will be fewer new bands producing fewer good albums to listen to.

Not an inherently bad thing for elitists like me.

 

[no country for old wainds]

I only worry as I think without evolution the listener base will decline, and there will be fewer new bands producing fewer good albums to listen to. There are still plenty of fans atm, but the 2010's seem to have been the worst decade for metal so far.

the kinds of bands who care about having a large listener base are exactly the kind of bands we could do with less of. most good bands from the 2010s primarily worship shit from 20+ years ago anyway.

 

[EspaDa]

Changes is a great track, does not deserve downrating.

 

[rusty water]

Sabbath, also, arent heavy metal. Their early era, particularly, was a sort of blues flavoured hard rock. The same with deep purple and most particularly Led Zeppelin, they are not heavy metal either.

 

[CiG]

Here we go.