Controversial opinions on metal
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MrTagoMago
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Its one thing to have a controversial opinion but I always laugh when people try to suggest when Sabbath were never a metal band or that metal didn't exist in the 70s.
Also I think music in general went downhill come the 90s and hasn't recovered since. I haven't listened to everything ever ofcourse and I'm not saying there have not been plenty of great bands since but just going off based on what I've heard and know music gotbmuch poorer in the 90s.
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Also I've no clue how anyone can honestly think Vol 4 even comes close to Sabotage. It's far more creative and Ozzy is at his best as a singer. Then again I like Am I going insane so what do I know :/
Krow
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Ultimate Metal my life in Black Sabbath argument form.
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I love Changes, as well as all their "non-heavy" output like Solitude, Planet Caravan, She's Gone, etc. I didn't care at all for these tracks growing up, but over time, I grew to love them just as much as their standards.
Anyone disagreeing that Sabbath arent heavy metal, Ozzy himself says they arent, as do the rest of Sabbath. Led Zeppelin are hippies, their music isnt easy to label, they started out as a blues rock band and progressed through all sorts of genres, whilst maintaining a rock theme. Deep Purple are hard rock. These bands are a few generations before the heavy metal genre thing.
Krow
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So Motorhead isn't metal either because Lemmy said they weren't? That's really not how that shit works.
Internally Deformed
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Agreed. It makes for better music, but I think this is why the comparison to punk music is apt. And unfortunately there are fewer punk bands now producing both good and bad music than there were twenty years ago.
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Certainly the stuff motorhead did with taylor, lemmy and clarke isnt heavy metal. Later stuff they did with the new people may have been, here and there.
Elric of Melniboné
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Show me where Tony Iommi, Geezer Butler and Bill Ward say Black Sabbath isn't heavy metal please. Ozzy Osbourne recently decided to say he doesn't like the term "heavy metal" despite using it in the past, so you have one.
CiG
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Who the fuck cares, that's not an argument you dipshit.
Internally Deformed
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Krow
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Dark metal and holocaust metal are genres because bands call themselves it, guys.
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Elric of Melniboné
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I'm still waiting for you to show me where the band members aside from Ozzy Osbourne said Black Sabbath isn't heavy metal as you claimed.
We can talk about punk bands after you do that.
I have been a lifelong fan of lots of bands, since the seventies. I read magazines that they were interviewed in before there was an internet. Around the era of NWOBHM they said it there, often. I used to have to buy magazines to get the news. Was no internet.
Elric of Melniboné
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High profile bands like Black Sabbath have their early interviews archived on the web. If you make a claim and want to act like it's true, provide evidence of your claim.
Do you have a strong feeling that compels you to have Black Sabbath pigeon-holed as a heavy metal band? you seem to have really strong feelings about this. Sabbath are pre-heavy metal, Sabbath were pioneers of hard rock. Heavy Metal came when the next generation of people whom had listened to Sabbath and others and were influenced by it, and sort of got it wrong OR made their own version of it. Heavy Metal that started maybe the 80`s? with bands like Saxon and Anvil, they are different than `Heavy Metal ` is now. All the thrash and speed metal and etc is another generation on from that. Would you call faith no more heavy metal? lol no.
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