Controversial opinions on metal

[Satanstoenail]

I always thought Iron Man was pretty shit and it wasn't until I heard Sabbath Bloody Sabbath with its complexities and dynamics that I realised they were actually good.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

So the issue is that they tried something new?

The issue is that there are disparate ideas on the album that aren't always successful.

 

[MrTagoMago]

The issue is that there are disparate ideas on the album that aren't always successful.

They work well enough for me.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Weakest of the first six is Sabotage.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

They work well enough for me.

That's fine. I still think it's a good album. Both Sabbath Bloody Sabbath and Sabotage have their flaws, but the highest points of the latter are preferable to me.

The first four albums are clearly their strongest period.

 

[rusty water]

when I said mainstream I was meaning bands like Abba etc. I was thinking along the lines of Ozzy becoming more mainstream in the world when they did `the Osbournes` tv show etc. I mean, Im a huge fan of Randy Rhoads, and rate him highly, but they werent `mainstream`, no one heard of them outside of metal fans.

 

[no country for old wainds]

vol. 4 > s/t > paranoid > masters of reality > sabbath bloody sabbath > sabotage

 

[Internally Deformed]

Not enough controversial opinions.

How about this: metal has exhausted its potential for progression and will be as stagnant and dead as punk music in the next ten years.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

when I said mainstream I was meaning bands like Abba etc. I was thinking along the lines of Ozzy becoming more mainstream in the world when they did `the Osbournes` tv show etc. I mean, Im a huge fan of Randy Rhoads, and rate him highly, but they werent `mainstream`, no one heard of them outside of metal fans.

The concept of metal fans did not exist when their debut came out. It was a popular album and so were the next several. You're trying to act like nobody knew who Black Sabbath was in the 1970s when they were one of the most known rock bands around.

As a solo musician, Ozzy Osbourne is also one of the most successful of all time. He also is not an underground musician at all.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Paranoid > Vol.4 > Master of Reality > Sabbath Bloody Sabbath > Black Sabbath > Sabotage

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Yea, Ozzy's solo stuff is so far from being underground.

 

[Oblivious Maximus]

I mean, Sabbath wasn't the most shocking thing ever to my ears, I'd already imbibed in the rawest stuff I could find up to that point with bands like The Sonics, The Stooges, The MC5, The Jimi Hendrix Experience, Blue Cheer, The Kinks, etc. However, it was something of a seismic shift, because I can't remember knowing how to categorize Sabbath initially other than that they were some sort of super mutation of hard rock. It was like they'd happened upon the secret recipe to the most epic and evil sounding coagulation of sound in musical form.

When you listen to the Sabbath debut you know you're listening to something special. Brilliant as the follow-up's were, that first album has a certain vibe to it. Difficult to describe, but when you hear it you immediately pick up on it. Even Ozzy's vocals have a somewhat different tone to them.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

Black Sabbath received RIAA gold and platinum certifications during the 1970s and 1980s.

 

[H.P. Lovecraft]

@TechnicalBarbarity Which is saying something given it still kicks ass, although I find Vol. 4 the most wanting of the first six personally.

 

[H.P. Lovecraft]

When you listen to the Sabbath debut you know you're listening to something special. Brilliant as the follow-up's were, that first album has a certain vibe to it. Difficult to describe, but when you hear it you immediately pick up on it. Even Ozzy's vocals have a somewhat different tone to them.

Oh, no doubt, I picked it up soon after Paranoid because I knew I had to have more by them. While not as jarring, that opening riff took me off guard entirely with just how crushing, foul, and diabolical it felt.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

@TechnicalBarbarity Which is saying something given it still kicks ass, although I find Vol. 4 the most wanting of the first six personally.

yeah, i love Vol. 4. Under the Sun is one of my all time favorite songs. Funny thing is most people dont even know that track actually samples/"borrows from" Deep Purples Flight of the Rat. Although some fanboys will blatantly deny this fact.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

I have Vol. 4 rated like this

Wheels of Confusion - 5/5
Tomorrow's Dream - 4
Changes - 2
Supernaut - 5
Snowblind - 5
Cornucopia - 4.5
Laguna Sunrise - 4
St. Vitus Dance - 4
Under the Sun - 5

 

[H.P. Lovecraft]

I have Vol. 4 rated like this

Wheels of Confusion - 5/5
Tomorrow's Dream - 4
Changes - 2
Supernaut - 5
Snowblind - 5
Cornucopia - 4.5
Laguna Sunrise - 4
St. Vitus Dance - 4
Under the Sun - 5

Roughly my opinions track for track as well, though I might bump up Changes to a 2.5 or 3.

 

[The Butt]

Paranoid > Vol.4 > Master of Reality > Sabbath Bloody Sabbath > Black Sabbath > Sabotage

Vol. 4 > Sabbath Bloody Sabbath > Sabotage > Paranoid > Black Sabbath > Master of Reality > Technical Ecstasy > Never Say Die

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

glad to see Vol. 4 getting some love.