Controversial opinions on metal
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It depends on the level and kind of influence. No definite answer there.
For example, what do you think about Celtic Frost/Hellhammer regarding death and black metal? Both bands definitely provided strong elements that became key songwriting/production staples of what came after them. So, if they aren't considering full death/black metal bands they at least deserve the proto- prefix.
Now, Mercyful Fate and Morbid Angel have been quoted as vast influences by most of black metal musicians, but I don't think anyone would call them black metal.
Again, it depends. Meshuggah coined the term djent, which is a more or less decent umbrella term for their copycats, based on their specific riffing/rhythm qualities. It became a sort of style, based on particular musical elements that can be traced back to their originators.
Now, I don't consider Venom to be a black metal band. They might have brought up the term, but they never made black metal. Even Hellhammer was closer to the black metal sound than what I personally consider to be established from Bathory's debut onwards.
Sure. Heavy hardcore would be more like crust, not metalcore.
TechnicalBarbarity
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again, coming up with a term does NOT equate to the creation of a music genre/subgenre. Don't know why that part of what i said would confuse you.
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Reality. They're a heavy/speed metal band who named a song and an album Black Metal, but other than the lyrics, they possess none of the characteristics of black metal. And if you're going off lyrics, then you logically have to count Slayer, Black Sabbath and 10,000 other non-black metal bands who sing about evil shit as black metal.
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But no first wave black metal is black metal any way so it’s always been dumb.
how is Greek black metal even black metal? Those bands sound closer to extreme metal spawns of Sabbath than much else.
how is Greek black metal even black metal? Those bands sound closer to extreme metal spawns of Sabbath than much else.
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i don’t agree that no first wave BM is black metal, but yeah venom will always be nwobhm to me. the return is when the first wave started to be recognisably BM.
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l didn't even remember this @Einherjar86 but you rec'd Aeternus - Beyond The Wandering Moon to me back when, and l gotta say, it's perhaps the only BM album l ever felt a slight affinity for apart from Meads of Asphodel and The Murder of Jesus the Jew. Still need to source this on vinyl. cheers ears
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Beyond the Wandering Moon is basically strum-a-strum indie shit in black metal clothing. Horrible album.
TechnicalBarbarity
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Beyond the Wandering Moon is basically for these types of dudes ....
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i’d understand if you were talking about shit like ulver/panopticon/agalloch/etc, but aeternus are derived from folk and epic heavy metal, nothing indie about it
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You can't possibly mix Ulver's trilogie with utter shit like Panopticon, Agalloch and other lame acts that basically lacked balls to play black metal. Ulver at least always had the riffs, Garm's vocals and Nattens Madrigal is as raw and blazing as it gets.
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