DAN: EMPTY OUT YOUR DAMN MAILBOX!!!!!!!!!!!

it´s cool to see that a post about my mailbox turned into a religious mailingspree!!! weirdo guys.... there is only one God... Yourself.

Dan
 
Dan Swanö said:
it´s cool to see that a post about my mailbox turned into a religious mailingspree!!! weirdo guys.... there is only one God... Yourself.

Dan
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Hahahaha You're the best Dan.
 
Gurgelguff said:
I stole that line from an American congressman. Famous words from the
"Regan" years. I guess i´ve been listening too much to "serious" Swedish radio lately, that part of the world is all they ever talk about. What´s the theme; 2000 year old bullshit called religion. Time to stop praying and start to rock:headbang:
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Do you remember what Congressman it was? Or what state?
 
chrisdoig24k said:
Let me and my aussies keep my kangaroos :)
Oh and whoever gets Norway, pass a law saying that Varg Vikernes is allowed to record from jail
And whoever gets America make a law saying that Trivium is illegal
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I think Varg can record from jail...Varg's in jail from 93 and during that time several Burzum albums came out so I guess he was recording from jail.
that nazi fuck!
 
Naglfar said:
Do you remember what Congressman it was? Or what state?
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It was over 20 years ago. I have a good memory but not that good. But if you go down south to the bible belt i´m sure you wont have any trouble finding a new one with the same opinion :)
 
Gurgelguff said:
It was over 20 years ago. I have a good memory but not that good. But if you go down south to the bible belt i´m sure you wont have any trouble finding a new one with the same opinion :)
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Haha, I didn't ask because I doubted that it was true. I'm a historian of US foreign relations, I've heard something like that before but I couldn't remember who actually said it.
 
We all know that Dan believes in evolution and not creation(same for Dag probably)...I have an idea...we can make a concept death/doom/black album about the book of Revaltion...I mean the descriptions there are way more bloody and gore than most of the satanic shit I heard in my short lifetime...
there's no better publicity than having bunch of christian prudes calling your music blesphamous and calling you the antichrist and burning your cd's on tv.

Having the whole four horsemen thing and the false messiah and ending the album in everyone going to hell and Christ's rule over the empty world...that's fucking dark.

p.s
should bring Rogga to do the vocals:D
 
paradoxile said:
I think Varg can record from jail...Varg's in jail from 93 and during that time several Burzum albums came out so I guess he was recording from jail.
that nazi fuck!
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He could, but then when he tried to escape, they put him in max security :cry: where he can't record ANYTHING.... apparently he was supposed to get out this year, but its october (i think) and its not looking good... meh
old burzum is good enough for me :)
 
He's a pretty bad guy. But I would not be so quick to judge him as a Nazi fuck on his own merits... there is the issue of the black metal scene in Norway (maybe Sweden too?) having a white supremacist tint to it. For example, I don't care how many disclaimers the guys from Emperor put up about it, but Zyklon obviously got its name orginally because of its association with the Holocaust. You can look at Bathory lyrics too and see there's some deeper roots to that aspect of black metal.

Burzum seems to be more a relic than a lunatic if you ask me. Jon from Dissection got out of prison and probably had a hard time finding a place in today's scene; maybe in the end that more than anything led to his suicide?

Who knows. But that's what happens when you lock up crazy celebrities and then you let them out: they can't adjust to the fact that their time has passed. Burzum probably wouldn't last long in today's metal scene. If Jon couldn't, and he was infinitely more talented, I doubt Burzum could.
 
The BM scene in Norway wasn't nazi at first...it was more of a nature and paganism oriented as an alternative to the boring world of christianity.
so I don't buy turning Nazi due to "peer prussure" as an excuse...
Varg's success was more because the media made a martyr out of him and as far as I know Jon Nödveidt wasn't a nazi, he was a satanist.

I mostly agree with you on the fact that BM music of those days(that would be the 90's) would make less of an appeal to today's audience but you neglected the fact that as the people who listen to the music progress so does the artist. I didn't listen to Reignkaos(because I don't support gay bashers and murderers that also means I haven't heard any of Burzum's music for the same reason) but I watched people here in UM praise it...I never heard anyone saying it's shit so I'm guessing it did pretty well.
now back to the point Jon could return after 7 or 8 years in prison and make a great album so why can't Varg?

I don't think Jon's suicide had anything to do with his place in today's music...it's probably that satanic stuff that drove him insane,or a chrisis of faith(his faith anyway)
 
paradoxile said:
The BM scene in Norway wasn't nazi at first...it was more of a nature and paganism oriented as an alternative to the boring world of christianity.
so I don't buy turning Nazi due to "peer prussure" as an excuse...
Varg's success was more because the media made a martyr out of him and as far as I know Jon Nödveidt wasn't a nazi, he was a satanist.

I mostly agree with you on the fact that BM music of those days(that would be the 90's) would make less of an appeal to today's audience but you neglected the fact that as the people who listen to the music progress so does the artist. I didn't listen to Reignkaos(because I don't support gay bashers and murderers that also means I haven't heard any of Burzum's music for the same reason) but I watched people here in UM praise it...I never heard anyone saying it's shit so I'm guessing it did pretty well.
now back to the point Jon could return after 7 or 8 years in prison and make a great album so why can't Varg?

I don't think Jon's suicide had anything to do with his place in today's music...it's probably that satanic stuff that drove him insane,or a chrisis of faith(his faith anyway)
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I think that in fact, part of the Norwegian black metal scene as we know it DID start off with white supremacist undertones. Jon wasn't a racist? Well, he was a bigot and was involved in the murder of a gay immigrant. He wasn't a National Socialist, but he wasn't the most progressive guy, either. I have a Swedish friend here who once remarked that a lot of the mythology that's been used in heavy Scandinavian music is part of a nationalistic appeal that it has... maybe to us on the outside, Thor is just a cool guy who swings a hammer and tosses lightning bolts, but to some racialists (hey, among them American white supremacists) Thor embodies the ideal "Nordic" man.

I guess you're sort of defining white supremacy as more narrowly a Nazi phenomenon. What I'm saying is that Burzum is a Nazi because he was in a music scene that had a lot of people who were ideologically racists in its early days. And the people I've heard this from are Swedes. I haven't had a chance to read Lords of Chaos, but a friend of mine said that book touches on this subject; if I wasn't busy reading a million books every day, I'd take some time to look at it myself.

To sum it up, I think when we get on a guy like Burzum's case, we have to remember the Emperor guys named a side project after Cynide pills used to gas Jews, and Jon asks vaguely in Storm of the Light's Bane to "allow me to erase your feeble race." I'm not saying that people don't change their mind when they get older (there's a reason there used to be a disclaimer on Zyklon's site saying that they did not support discrimination in any form). My point was that Jon and Burzum went to jail pretty early on; when they got out, not only was their music passed by, but also the vaguely white supremacist tone of the scene.

Maybe that's just me thinking aloud about it. As a metalhead, I'd rather be honest that things were not so peachy back in the day (especially being a minority myself, although most people wouldn't guess it since I look like a midwestern farm boy). Don't want to end up like my friends who listen to rap, who try to justify pimping, mysogeny, macho insecurity and criminality to me since it's had a central element in mainstream commercial rap music and culture (not suggesting in the least all rap is like that, of course).
 
well, I never said Jon wasn't a biggot or a racist...I just said he wasn't a nazi...I totally agree with you on that point and might I add they killed a BLACK gay immigrant which kinda proves the whole racist thing. so I agree with you there.

I have to ask because I truelly don't know, was there any talk of white supremacy prior to WWII...because racism and antisemitism was rooted everywhere in the world because it was rooted in christianity(the whole jews killed jesus thing,they see gypsies as heretics etc. etc.) and it was spread by the crusades which took scandinavia from the bloody arms of thor into the bloody arms of the pope.

so the question is what caused what? Was it the white supremecy thing that there all along who caused among others the appearence of nazism and therefore nazi metal or Was it the Hitler's actions that got some of the scandinavians thinking about the whole idea of white supremecy in which case the white supremacy is a subsection of nazism and not the other way around...
without a clear answer to the original question that would be asking what came first,the chicken or the egg?

about the killing jews in the holocaust...it wasn't cynide that was used in the gas chambers(they were gas showers in fact when the jews were fooled into thinking they were going to take a shower so there would be no lice epidemic in the camp)..cynide pills was the way Hitler and Eva Braun(may they rot in hell) commited sucide when the allied forces took Berlin.
The gas used in the gas showers was Cyclone B...it was a tablet(square inch by size) that desolved into deadly gas when came in contact with air...and it kind of makes me wonder Cyclone B or is it Zyklon?
anyway I guess you're right about the music passing by.

I kinda hate what "Black" music has turned into(again not all black music)...
I remember when when rap and hip hop were all about getting equal rights and fighting for what's right and the art of breakdancing and scratching records...you needed skill. now the creating of a beat takes about 5 minutes using a home computer and every gangster has a label and you can have an album done in 9 days which will sell 10 or a 100 fold of the best metal album of all time while the subjects discussed on the album are guns,killing each other,dissing other rappers,pimping bitches, and getting high...sure there's will smith but who the hell would buy his record these days.
 
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