Darwin's "Origin of Species" with shit on top.

Thanks Ermz. Agree 100% Hypocrites.

I was about to do my own brand of cheery picking the Bible. It would have been massive. I rather use the time for something else tho.

Maybe later. If I feel like reading a good story on rape.

And they heard the sound of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and the man and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden. But the LORD God called to the man, and said to him, "Where are you?"

Yep, all knowing . . .

He knew where he was but he chose to ask the man where he was to give him the choice of whether or not he wanted God to find him of course!


Religion is so batshit insane.
 
Honestly, a being that is perfect and omniscient is by definition not going to exist in any single physical body as we can conceive it. In fact, the best way we could appropriate the idea of God to something we perceive is the universe itself. Every galactic body, every organism, every piece of debris, every bit of matter both organic and inorganic.

I would certainly hope that an almighty creator wouldn't have to 'walk' anywhere, much less ask an over-evolved ape where he's hiding.
 
The book was written over a 1,200 - 1,500 year period (40 generations), in three different languages, by approximately 40 authors located in three different continents.

That would explain the glaring inconsistencies.

Despite those facts, there is strong continuity throughout it's content- basically the message of man's rebellion and God's redemption.

See my above statement.

The fact that the writers of the bible had little to no understanding of scientific and physical principles is not bothersome to me in the least bit, because the bible is not a scientific textbook. The bible is meant to teach us about our relationship to God, and to teach us how we ought to live. Science plays no role in those things, and is unnecessary in order for God to communicate with us.

That's because the faithful will believe any sort of bullshit. I mean, come on, Noah's Ark? A breeding pair of ALL the world's animals in a prehistoric boat? Plus a 40 day food supply? Do the math. I doubt even a modern aircraft carrier could hold that amount of mass.

Again, it goes to show that the men who wrote the bible were ignorant of the world around them.

Were there any polar bears, kangaroo, or penguins on the ark? No. Magellan didn't happen till 1519.

When you apply knowledge and reason to the bible, it falls apart.



Anyway, thanks for keeping it civil, Aaron! I always enjoy a good debate.
 
This is where a Christian says "Oh well of course Noah's Ark didn't really happen, that's just a story", and they will continue to selectively not include parts of the bible in their beliefs until absolutely everything in there has been proven wrong by science. Christians believed it was pretty damn true a few hundred years ago though didn't they?
 
^ Too that quote I would say : He/she/it has to literally come right to me in front of at least 1/2 the nation, shake my hand, perform a "miracle", make a tiny universe in his/her/it's hand/appendage. Then I would have myself checked for any drug interactions, thorough blood test for me and the witnesses to make sure we aren't all crazy. Then do it all again a few times to make sure. :goggly:

If it turns out after that it's a He and is the christian "God" then I would tell "him" what an asshole he is. Freaky pedo child raping fucker.
 
AND I'D ASK HIM WHY THE HELL I DIDN'T GET THAT BIKE I PRAYED FOR FOR CHRISTMAS WHEN I WAS 9 :mad: :lol:

And FWIW, my Mom is pretty Christian, goes to church every Sunday, even does freelance editing work for Guideposts + Plus magazines - but she I feel is part of the silent majority of Christians, those who mind their own business, have their beliefs, try to be good people, and don't shove it on anyone else :) And she's able to laugh whenever I make fun of her for involving herself with "that jesus crap" :lol: Oh, and all the people I've met from their church are intelligent and friendly (it's a non-denominational church, which I guess explains a lot), and I have to admit can see the appeal of that kind of supportive community! (though not enough to, you know, be Christian :D)
 
Have any of you ever even given thought to the notion that evolution could have been God's mechanism for creating life, or that God simply cannot be entirely explained by science? I mean, what kind of God would He even be if we could understand everything about Him through scientific study?


Of course I have!

I've also given careful consideration to the possibility that evolution could be ATUM's grand mechanism, or even the mechanism of a giant celestial Leprechaun that is hiding behind Jupiter.

I've also considered the notion that the Earth is carried on the back of a giant Turtle stacked on top of an infinite number of other turtles. Turtles all the way down, you might say.

As you might guess, none of these have been very fruitful.
 
Elepahnts dude, on a turtle. Get the facts right.
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http://www.storytellerturtlefoot.com/creation.htm

Oh, by the way, I took that picture from the moon. Yes, the moon is made of cheese.
 
I've also considered the notion that the Earth is carried on the back of a giant Turtle stacked on top of an infinite number of other turtles. Turtles all the way down, you might say.

Do not underestimate the wisdom of little old ladys! :lol:
 
Just finished "The Lost Symbol" and it inspired me to take a look at Genesis online here with multiple translations (highly interesting to see the different English translations). I have to say you can pull several meanings out of this first chapter, but the one that gets me the most is this, which talks about why the stars were created:

...And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.

Now do this:
1. replace "light" with "enlightenment"
2. assume this passage is not talking about "dividing" the earth and the heavens; rather dividing humans

The hidden meaning here would be: "God created the stars so that we could study them and become enlightened." Those who study and learn from the stars will be enlightened. Astronomers/scientists are the enlightened ones.

I don't think this is too much of a stretch. I can't understand these fundamentalists. I mean, their bullshit about how everything in the bible needs to be taken literally makes me want to stay away from the bible. Yet this book has so much cool shit in it.

I'm going to go listen to Reign in Blood.
 
I would love to hear what God would have to do in order for you to believe that he exists.

All He (It) would have to do is convince me. It wouldn't matter how. Just make me believe in any way He (It) chose to do so. If He (It) were all-powerful and gave a shit about anyone I assume He (It) would have willed for me to believe in His (Its) existence when my faith was deteriorating and I actually prayed for Him (It) to reveal Himself (Itself) to me.

Sorry for all the "Its". I just find the idea of a Creator of All Things being of a specific gender laughable.