DAW of choice, everyone?

[Kazrog]

There's always the m-powered option to consider, or did that allready get thrown out?

*too tired to read back*

I have some doubts as to whether you can open up LE and HD sessions in M-Powered due to their wording. That is a deal killer IMO.

 

[unsilpauly]

hey guys. actually i just just got an m-box from the owner of the studio i work at and he couldnt find the software at first(since then he did) but anyways i called sweetwater and they were gonna sell me the protools le 6.9 cd for $75.00 and digidesign said the same thing. so, if you can find a used m-box(or any digi le hardware for that matter) you can buy just the discs for 75.00(no extra bundled plug-ins or anything)but the protools software is included in full.

and regarding the m-powered protools. an m-audio ad in the new mix magazine claims that you can use m-powered projects on other protools systems(this is what the ad said, i dont know for sure). although i cant remember specifically but sound on sound had a few little negative things to say on m-powered in the last issue.

 

[Kazrog]

hey guys. actually i just just got an m-box from the owner of the studio i work at and he couldnt find the software at first(since then he did) but anyways i called sweetwater and they were gonna sell me the protools le 6.9 cd for $75.00 and digidesign said the same thing. so, if you can find a used m-box(or any digi le hardware for that matter) you can buy just the discs for 75.00(no extra bundled plug-ins or anything)but the protools software is included in full.

and regarding the m-powered protools. an m-audio ad in the new mix magazine claims that you can use m-powered projects on other protools systems(this is what the ad said, i dont know for sure). although i cant remember specifically but sound on sound had a few little negative things to say on m-powered in the last issue.

OK first of all -

1) I think DigiDesign are complete pricks for charging $75.00 for the CD. If you have an MBox, you are entitled to the bundleware IMO. It shouldn't matter if you found your MBox in a dumpster or bought it off a crackhead. Make no mistake about it - DigiDesign is in the software business to sell hardware.

2) Yes, you can open m-powered projects on other Pro Tools systems - but I don't think that the reverse is true. And that, to me, is a deal-killer!

 

[Jeremy Krull]

OK first of all -

1) I think DigiDesign are complete pricks for charging $75.00 for the CD. If you have an MBox, you are entitled to the bundleware IMO. It shouldn't matter if you found your MBox in a dumpster or bought it off a crackhead. Make no mistake about it - DigiDesign is in the software business to sell hardware.

2) Yes, you can open m-powered projects on other Pro Tools systems - but I don't think that the reverse is true. And that, to me, is a deal-killer!

That's another reason I cherish Logic Pro so much, because Digidesign is like the Microsoft of the recording industry. Oh, and their website (especially the section where you download continuous software upgrades as you need them) is the absolute most confusing half baked butt fest I've ever seen.

Again, that's not about the software, just the company's ethics and tactics in general.

 

[Ermz]

Yeah, I really don't like the way Digidesign works.

 

[Jeremy Krull]

Like seriously, you'd think that the company manufacturing the standard software for computer multitrack recording in pro studios, would at least make their internet and support resources more accesible, instead they've done the exact opposite. I wish Apple would strap on an even larger set of balls and buy Avid.

 

[Kazrog]

That's another reason I cherish Logic Pro so much, because Digidesign is like the Microsoft of the recording industry. Oh, and their website (especially the section where you download continuous software upgrades as you need them) is the absolute most confusing half baked butt fest I've ever seen.

Again, that's not about the software, just the company's ethics and tactics in general.

I couldn't agree more, and that's why I'm a MOTU / Digital Performer guy most of the time. I only run Pro Tools as a file transfer utility really, hence I own an MBox because it is the minimal setup.

 

[unsilpauly]

I couldn't agree more, and that's why I'm a MOTU / Digital Performer guy most of the time. I only run Pro Tools as a file transfer utility really, hence I own an MBox because it is the minimal setup.

i am with you totally there shane. motu/digital performer kills protools le for a way better price. i mean its a really complete system for the money. super stable, and really well laid out i think. if other people were to try it i think they would be pretty surprised. the one thing holding it back from more people using it is the whole mac thing, the same reason why i love it
i definetly think the protools hd accel3 that they have at the studio i work at kicks much ass(on a mac by the way) but i mean that system is super pricey, i mean youre lookin at like 15,000.00 just for like a card, software, cables and an interface, and that would be for like 16 ins. you can get 20 ins on a motu 828 for 750.00 bucks or an rme for like 1500.00 or something. i think most of the other companies have digidesign beat at the home/project studio level. im not totally down with their style.

 

[Kazrog]

There are those who say that you get what you pay for with Digidesign, but I think that James Murphy's work with MOTU hardware+software proves those people wrong. Still, if an HD rig magically appeared in my studio I'd be pretty stoked.

 

[James Murphy]

There are those who say that you get what you pay for with Digidesign, but I think that James Murphy's work with MOTU hardware+software proves those people wrong. Still, if an HD rig magically appeared in my studio I'd be pretty stoked.

yeah.. and i'll be dancin' with the devil soon anway.:Smokedev:

the motu rig will still be in use.. both of them. i'll keep right on using the mobile rig for all my road work, and the main system will take up residence in Studio B.

 

[Jeremy Krull]

I think, optimally, I would like to run a Pro Tools HD rig in the future, because the processing within those cards is truly second to none, however, I would probably use that TDM stuff with Logic, and instead of Digi's converters I'd probably run an Apogee A/D16 or a Rosetta 800. I don't prefer Pro Tools, but the power is undeniable.

 

[unsilpauly]

hd rigs are really good for sure, super powerful. id love to have one in my studio in the future. im definetly gonna upgrade my m-box soon and get a 002 rack so i can track drums at my project studio in protools when i know the project will be mixed at the commercial studio. and some people just like protools better for whatever reason and i want to accomodate those people and situations. but i definetly think that when its up to me and i do a project start to finish at my studio i will still use dp/motu, i just like the style better. but having both would be great .
i think an important fact is that most studios with hd rigs can afford to have additional super good ad/da converters and summing boxes and really good consoles to run the signal through, so im not sure how much better protools software sounds than dp software. i think there so many other factors that determine the sound(obviously). i just dont think that the protools software itself sounds any better than dp or logic or cubase or anythin thats professional grade software.

 

[Jeremy Krull]

well there is a point in this when you could be running similar/the same converters for both PT and/or DP/Logic, and at that point you could a/b them. I mean it's not impossible to get similar if not the same sonic headroom out of DP or Logic, especially if you used a sick ass converter like one from Apogee or Prism Sound. If you want to hear some pretty solid Logic-related recordings (like stuff where Logic either played a small part or the entire part), check out Adagio, or the most recent Chick Corea Elektric Band album.

 

[Mendel]

If you buy an MBox, it comes with Pro Tools LE. In fact, you cannot buy Pro Tools LE seperately, it ONLY comes with DigiDesign hardware.

You need hardware so that you have a way of getting the audio into and out of your computer through professional grade preamps, A/D and D/A converters. At some point you'd need to buy an audio interface, and the MBox is a good value because you get hardware and software.

ok dude !! thx for the info ! i really apriciate it !

 

[Mendel]

I couldn't agree more, and that's why I'm a MOTU / Digital Performer guy most of the time. I only run Pro Tools as a file transfer utility really, hence I own an MBox because it is the minimal setup.

so logic is better then pro tools. ?

 

[Jeremy Krull]

Well no, neither Logic or DP are better than Pro Tools, or vice versa.

but depending on what you do musically and production-wise, they could be better for YOU. It's really an individual preference thing.

 

[Kazrog]

so logic is better then pro tools. ?

If you get an MBox, you can use Pro Tools with it, or Cubase, Nuendo, or anything else (Digital Performer and Logic also if you're on a Mac.) It's the cheapest way to get Pro Tools, and most of the world uses Pro Tools, so it's a good thing to learn how to use it!

As has been said before, none of these programs are "better" than any of the others, they all have their unique strengths and weaknesses.

 

[Mendel]

If you get an MBox, you can use Pro Tools with it, or Cubase, Nuendo, or anything else (Digital Performer and Logic also if you're on a Mac.) It's the cheapest way to get Pro Tools, and most of the world uses Pro Tools, so it's a good thing to learn how to use it!

As has been said before, none of these programs are "better" than any of the others, they all have their unique strengths and weaknesses.

cool man !! i dnt know you could use the mbox with nuendo etc. but what does it doe exaclty. u sad it was kind of a pre amp something ?

 

[Mendel]

cool man !! i dnt know you could use the mbox with nuendo etc. but what does it doe exaclty. u sad it was kind of a pre amp something ?

. . anyone

 

[unsilpauly]

. . anyone

its an interface that is meant to work with protools. go on the digidesign website and read about it. there is all the information you will need on it. it has two preamps it connects to the computer via usb. as kazrog said, its the least expensive way to get into protools meaning it includes protools software and the mbox(interface) to get audio onto the computer. it is pretty basic as far as interfaces go. check out digidesign.com. good luck man.