Demiurge said:
Who said it was an accomplishment? The accomplishment was annoying me in spite of my inebriation.
You've just played the modern art asshat card. The very argument I could use to contend that it's high art every time I take a shit.
Stockhausen, Schoenberg, late Stravinsky, etc. followed those rules. They are the rules of serialism.
I played the humor card and took you seriously for a while. Almost every other poster to visit this thread passed you off as an underage elitist/Nazi and took every word you uttered with a grain of salt. In one ear and out the other, as they say.
You obviously missed my joke. And your posts continue to contain idiotic degenerations to childish insults and vulgar stupidity, every time you feel frustration--so it seems.
You really have two choices. Get off your high horse and learn something, or stop wasting everyone's goddamn time. To even consider I was having a discussion with a quasi-intelligent person was a grave mistake on my part. Maybe you'll get your second brain cell if you get impregnated somehow.
Int said:
How do you recognise a band's ideological merits/motivation merely by listening to their music?
Good question. I asked something of the sort before, and yet no one seems to have heard an answer.
Planetary Eulogy said:
Nick,
Modern art is delieberately "indiscernible." One of its defining characteristics is the abstraction from inherent meaning or purpose. Ars gratia artis is the conceptual basis of the movement, but for the most part, it's just the self-indulgent posturing of a self-appointed cognoscenti.
To my mind, the great value of art is as a repository of dreams, but I see no dreams among the Moderns (or the Post-Moderns, as the case may be), only the tepid cynicism of jaded hipsters.
I apologize for my previous rant. It was not directed at you whatsoever. I guess everyone can get ticked once in a while.
You have a point. I think it all depends on the individual artist and what he hopes to achieve. It reminds me of a Wayans Brothers episode and a Brotherly Love episode. From way back. The train of thought is similar. One of the guys meets a girl who is an art lover, so they feign being a great "modern artist." When the girl asks if she can see some of the artwork, the guy immediately rushes home to fingerpaint a dozen or so "paintings." The Wayans Brothers cracked me up, because the guy painted a yellow shape called
The Dark Side Of The Moon. As he pointed to the painting and turned around, a large quantity of yellow paint could be seen on his buttocks.
"That's a painting of your ass, man."
But I see your point. I just happen to like some modern art(post-modern, whatever) and I find it unfair to generalize what the artists are thinking. Some of it requires a certain amout of discipline. A lot of modern art is actually painted by elephants, and people buy them for high prices. The wide, sweeping brushstrokes seem to evoke so much emotion, that people want them. But they look like something a child drew.
It's all relative. But I see your point. I hope you see mine.
