Difference between thrash and death

[HamburgerBoy]

I'm having a hard time thinking of any Judas Priest songs that are particularly fast pre-Painkiller. Now I'll be the first to admit that I don't know shit about Priest, so maybe someone could point them out to me.

Sinner, Call for the Priest, Exciter, Rapid Fire, a good portion of Defenders and Ram it Down... I'd mention Dissident Aggressor too if it wasn't practically thrash metal.

EDIT: Yeah, a lot of speed metal bands don't play it consistently. When I said "Judas Priest is speed metal" I meant their faster songs to contrast with what is thrash; obviously leaving it as "Judas Priest are unadulterated gods of metal" is the most accurate. I'm not so sure that I'd call it a real metal sub-genre either, but as a descriptor it's fine to apply to speedy traditional metal bands.

 

[waif]

Those don't sound all that fast...fast, but still just sounds like trad metal to me.

On the other hand, I consider this speed metal:

And it's not really much faster...idk.

 

[The Ozzman]

Agent Steel is speed metal. Songs like Exciter are basically proto-speed metal

 

[Guitarfreak5253]

How about Black Dahlia Murder? To be honest I thought they were Deathcore, but a different friend of mine thinks they are modern death metal. I love Obituary as well, but again they are more along the lines of thrash-influenced death.

I'll dig into my Morbid Angel collection as well thank you.

 

[Krow]

TBDM is faggot metal.

 

[waif]

Unhallowed is melodic death metal. Pretty much pure AtG worship, imo. Miasma has deathcore influences but isn't deathcore (no breakdowns or other such extreme faggotry). Nocturnal is a mix of AtG worship and CC worship and is honestly just death metal. Haven't heard the new one, but judging by the cover it's just a recording the band made of themselves having gay sex, no metal at all.

 

[Guitarfreak5253]

lol ok, I guess BDM gets no love around here. That's kind of how I feel about The Acacia Strain, but I think that BDM actually has good riffs and instrumentation. 'Worship Only What You Bleed' gets me every time.

WTF genre is Meshuggah. I just have to say that I really freaking love this band and anything they put on record, except for the extended sections of feedback like on the track 'Elastic' Nobody I know has been able to agree on a genre for them though. Technical Death Metal is about as close as anyone can come and still agree, but that's a rather old sub-genre and Meshuggah is anything but old.

 

[waif]

First 2 from Black Dahlia Murder are great and good, respectively, but Nocturnal is just crap. Meshuggah would be categorized as technical progressive thrash, I guess. I can't really be bothered to listen to them long enough to give it a genre, really. Also, since Meshuggah has been around for 22 years, I think they qualify as "old"

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I consider Meshuggah to me more thrash than death (no death vocals, chugging groove riffage, Metallica worshipping origins...) but almost everyone calls them technical death metal. Don't really get it.

EDIT: Same thing goes when people call Nevermore progressive/power. I mean, wot?

 

[metal_wrath]

Black Dahlia Murder is not real Death metal.

I would categorize Meshuggah as Technical Extreme Metal.

 

[waif]

Why do you say they're not real death metal?
I don't think anyone could deny this is death metal:

Not good death metal, but undeniably death metal.

 

[IntoPhagist]

I meant Death, meaning The early more Thrashy stuff(Leprosy) To the newer Death Metal albums(Human)

 

[Harry Hughes]

Meshuggah moved into groove metal in their later years. Catch ThirtyThree has virtually no thrash metal elements at all, it's all about the grooving on that album.

 

[metal_wrath]

Why do you say they're not real death metal?
I don't think anyone could deny this is death metal:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLlSiFYGE88
Not good death metal, but undeniably death metal.

Too much 'core'.

 

[Master_Yoda77]

I'd play him something like Immolation or Incantation in comparison to thrash.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

Songs like Exciter are basically proto-speed metal

This. Fucking this.

Meshuggah is probably most like "progressive extreme metal" or something. Not thrashy.

 

[Krow]

Too much 'core'.

Not really. It's still shite though.

 

[waif]

Too much 'core'.

Not in the actual music. You don't want them to be death metal because their fanbase is mostly scene kids and they look like a deathcore band and their second album had deathcore influences, but Nocturnal is a death metal album. Sorry.

 

[metal_wrath]

Not in the actual music. You don't want them to be death metal because their fanbase is mostly scene kids and they look like a deathcore band and their second album had deathcore influences, but Nocturnal is a death metal album. Sorry.

I don't care about the band or their fans. This is not a Death Metal band.

 

[Tonka Time]

It's a scene band that plays (shite) death metal.