Rider of Theli
The Hellequin
Evil said:
yeah, my wife mentioned this aspect of the cameras. :Smug: She knows more about them than I do. I just point and click.
Harvester said:
as well you should. *thumbs up*
Digital Camera Ruling:
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yeah, my wife mentioned this aspect of the cameras. :Smug: She knows more about them than I do. I just point and click.
as well you should. *thumbs up*
Glenn, that's awesome.
The reason i loved the show was because it allowed me, as a semi-pro, to add to my experience in low-light photography, and capture the memories. I have a digital slr that i almost can't live without!
Thanks for being a great promoter!!
HAILZ!!
The reason i loved the show was because it allowed me, as a semi-pro, to add to my experience in low-light photography, and capture the memories. I have a digital slr that i almost can't live without!
Thanks for being a great promoter!!
HAILZ!!
MadeInNewJersey
nursing my wounds
"3. A list of banned cameras will be made available in the "event details" section one month prior to the festival. If your camera has the option to video over 30 seconds of video, it is banned. If you are caught using your camera for just those 30 seconds of video, you will still be escorted from the venue and not allowed to return."
I guess I can't use/bring my camera then.
I guess I can't use/bring my camera then.
Pellaz
Tigron of Immanion
That rules out my Kodak CX7530, but allows in my old Kodak DC210+. Works for me.
There were a few people who were getting goood, wide shots from the seats. Phil Carter (dslartoo) was one of them. Try a search. Some of his wide full-stage Therion pics were worthy of re-sending to Christofer.
Greykiller said:
There were a few people who were getting goood, wide shots from the seats. Phil Carter (dslartoo) was one of them. Try a search. Some of his wide full-stage Therion pics were worthy of re-sending to Christofer.
Not actually my business, because I will not attend PP, but ruling out all digital still cameras that are capable of taking over 30 secs video clips bans almost all digis that are newer than 3-2 years and cost over $100. Under $100 digis are worthless for taking any pics indoors due poor aperture value. Also any inbuilt flash will range no more than 10-12 ft at max which means one needs a better quality (read: more expensive) camera with better aperture to take pics under the concert lightning circumstances.
Previously the limiting factor was the size of a memory card, but with new gigabit cards the common video limit with under $300 digital still cameras today is set to 3 minutes with mono sound, which is considered by manufacturers good enough limiting factor to prevent them used for bootlegging. (can't capture a whole song in one shot) Any bootlegger using that kind of cheap snapper would also need an additional minidisc or alike to capture the sound in decent quality stereo for making a DVD that someone really wanted to pay money for.
I'm not to point Glenn, this is an issue driven by the layers of big record and movie companies who know they can't win the fight against the free web and clobal pro pirates forging CDs and DVDs, and hence are shooting at common people to show some results to their employers. The whole issue of making money on bootlegging and thus harming their business is just an showcase to raise their value, not preventing real losses caused by piracy.
Just my ¢ 2
Previously the limiting factor was the size of a memory card, but with new gigabit cards the common video limit with under $300 digital still cameras today is set to 3 minutes with mono sound, which is considered by manufacturers good enough limiting factor to prevent them used for bootlegging. (can't capture a whole song in one shot) Any bootlegger using that kind of cheap snapper would also need an additional minidisc or alike to capture the sound in decent quality stereo for making a DVD that someone really wanted to pay money for.
I'm not to point Glenn, this is an issue driven by the layers of big record and movie companies who know they can't win the fight against the free web and clobal pro pirates forging CDs and DVDs, and hence are shooting at common people to show some results to their employers. The whole issue of making money on bootlegging and thus harming their business is just an showcase to raise their value, not preventing real losses caused by piracy.
Just my ¢ 2
MadeInNewJersey
nursing my wounds
^^^^
exactly
There is not a single digital camera (over $100-150) from 2002-on that can't record more than 30 seconds of video. I have a gorgeous Canon Powershot S2. It can record (I think) 15-20 minutes worth of video, provided my memory stick/card is completely free. I mean, I can assure people 'til I'm blue in the face that that's pretty much the last thing I'd want to do (yeah, standing perfectly still in 1 spot for 20 minutes is a ton of fun), but I guess it won't matter?
Kind of sucks, but hey, I said all along I'd respect the position even if I didn't understand it or found it to be silly.
exactly
There is not a single digital camera (over $100-150) from 2002-on that can't record more than 30 seconds of video. I have a gorgeous Canon Powershot S2. It can record (I think) 15-20 minutes worth of video, provided my memory stick/card is completely free. I mean, I can assure people 'til I'm blue in the face that that's pretty much the last thing I'd want to do (yeah, standing perfectly still in 1 spot for 20 minutes is a ton of fun), but I guess it won't matter?
Kind of sucks, but hey, I said all along I'd respect the position even if I didn't understand it or found it to be silly.
AMBR
Metal Grandma
Kinda gotta agree with that. Glenn has to do what's necessary, but really the record labels are fighting a losing battle in the long run. They just have to understand, if they provide high quality DVD's with lots of extras people will always buy them and any so-called loss to a crappy bootlegger is minimal.
Almost bought that camera, but just couldn't justify the cost plus all new memory cards so went with a Fuji since I already owned one. Takes shitty video but is super fast for concert shots. Glad I choose wisely (re. cheaply
)
MadeInNewJersey
nursing my wounds
Mine was a gift actually, I couldn't afford it either!
Actually, the one huge benefit to Canon digicams (from a cost perspective) is that they make use of the ScanDisk memory cards, which are ridiculously inexpensive compared to others. For example, a half-GB card is only $29.99.
Actually, the one huge benefit to Canon digicams (from a cost perspective) is that they make use of the ScanDisk memory cards, which are ridiculously inexpensive compared to others. For example, a half-GB card is only $29.99.
Soul of Ice
Rusted Angel
BlackRoseMetalHeart
Metal Mistress
I agree Trent. I have to admit I was really upset about this policy when I first read about it. I understood why Glenn was making this policy, but I was mad at the idiots who felt the need to video record the show during previous years and made these rules necessary.
I have a beautiful digital camera that I got with the main event in mind being ProgPower. I wanted to preserve those memories with some great pictures. The digital camera I have only takes about 15 secs. of video and doesn't really pick up sound wel,l so I never use it for that purpose. But I'm still kinda irritated about having to stand in line to have it checked out, not really knowing if I'll be able to bring it in or not. And then having to worry about the additional cost and hassle of bringing a regular camera and rolls of film.
What if you have the bracelet on the next day, but it's damaged cause you took a shower? I know that sounds goofy, but those things are only made of paper, right?
* Sorry, Glenn. I totally respect this rule, but I'm sorry you ever had to make it and I had to (as you said) "get your bitching out of the way now."
I have a beautiful digital camera that I got with the main event in mind being ProgPower. I wanted to preserve those memories with some great pictures. The digital camera I have only takes about 15 secs. of video and doesn't really pick up sound wel,l so I never use it for that purpose. But I'm still kinda irritated about having to stand in line to have it checked out, not really knowing if I'll be able to bring it in or not. And then having to worry about the additional cost and hassle of bringing a regular camera and rolls of film.
What if you have the bracelet on the next day, but it's damaged cause you took a shower? I know that sounds goofy, but those things are only made of paper, right?
* Sorry, Glenn. I totally respect this rule, but I'm sorry you ever had to make it and I had to (as you said) "get your bitching out of the way now."
Jurakan
Boricua Bestial
A big sarcastic "thank you" to all bootleggers for screwing us up.:hotjump: :hotjump: :hotjump:
I am sure I was not the only one to spend $200+ on a good digital camera, for use primarily in Prog Power. I would have spent upwards of that between film, and dveloping with all the pictures I took in PPVI. Therion alone would have been a good 2 to 3 rolls of 35 mm film, and some of these would not have been good pictures to begin with. I will not even bother to wait for the banned camera list, I know mine takes significantly more than 30 s of video and will not be allowed.
No bitching should be directed at Glenn. Glenn set the ground rules from day 1, and they were very clear. Attending the festival implies acceptance of this and all other rules. Anger should be directed at individuals without the discipline to follow a very simple rule. They didn't, so now everyone is screwed. Needless to say, I AM attending PPVII, just without a camera.
Again, much thanks to all of you bootlegging assholes...
I am sure I was not the only one to spend $200+ on a good digital camera, for use primarily in Prog Power. I would have spent upwards of that between film, and dveloping with all the pictures I took in PPVI. Therion alone would have been a good 2 to 3 rolls of 35 mm film, and some of these would not have been good pictures to begin with. I will not even bother to wait for the banned camera list, I know mine takes significantly more than 30 s of video and will not be allowed.
No bitching should be directed at Glenn. Glenn set the ground rules from day 1, and they were very clear. Attending the festival implies acceptance of this and all other rules. Anger should be directed at individuals without the discipline to follow a very simple rule. They didn't, so now everyone is screwed. Needless to say, I AM attending PPVII, just without a camera.
Again, much thanks to all of you bootlegging assholes...
Theandromedastrain
eyeloveprog(Ben)
Jurakan said:
All of what you said I agree with, and I too, have a camera that can film much more than 30 seconds of video (of course not high quality, thus turning out shitty) and can't bring my digital camera. So I have basically decided not to bother with any cameras because its too much of a hassle. This year i'll be going primarally to enjoy the bands I love live
MetalRose
ProgPower EMT
SWEET! THank you. THis is a great solution.
Although the longer lines will stink, just remember the first year execution isn't always 100%.
Glenn- Does this mean my Coffin purse is no longer allowed in since it's both a purse and a small back pack?
-Metal
Although the longer lines will stink, just remember the first year execution isn't always 100%.
Glenn- Does this mean my Coffin purse is no longer allowed in since it's both a purse and a small back pack?
-Metal
Pellaz
Tigron of Immanion
Those of you who are swearing off cameras completely this year, consider: you'll probably run into situations that just CRY out for a photo. Good times with friends, meeting people in real life that you only know from online, wild-ass aftershow parties, scenes that you just feel are great for capturing, etc.
Go ahead and drop $5 or so on a single-use disposable film camera. In the grand monetary scheme of things at ProgPower, it's not that much more to spend, and you might kick yourself later for not having a camera handy.
Go ahead and drop $5 or so on a single-use disposable film camera. In the grand monetary scheme of things at ProgPower, it's not that much more to spend, and you might kick yourself later for not having a camera handy.
Pellaz said:
I am swearing about bringing 20 rolls of film and a canon eos rebel with the full lens kit. Last year I took about 300 shots with my digital. Yeah that is crazy excessive but what the hell it is a digital right? What I will miss is being able to check the pictures right after taking them. But my camera can take more than 30 seconds at 15fps--totally shitty but will probably fall outside of Glenns rules...which means the film camera is the only way to go.
Jurakan
Boricua Bestial
Pellaz said:
You are completely right. As you may understand, I was extremely pissed writing my original post. At least I have a good seven months ahead of me to figure out what to do. No camera is waaay too extreme a solution.
The Fiddler
Just Do It.
Taken from : http://www.theonion.com/content/node/45122&rss=1
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