Do you believe?

yes i am a Christian, and yes i believe microevolution exists, but that we all came from a single celled organism i do not believe. there is no evidence compelling enough for me to believe that thus far presented. i do not really know where we came from (in relation to other organisms), and i don't think any human honestly does. i think God had a hand in it, but you will all disagree.
 
Hey great call it BS but provide nothing to dispute it. Lay it on man if you deny it.
Dawkins shits on creationist. But daintily as he is British
 
RookParliament said:
Hey great call it BS but provide nothing to dispute it. Lay it on man if you deny it.
Dawkins shits on creationist. But daintily as he is British
its egotistical asinine posts like this one that have caused me to avoid this thread. i prefer civilized discussion and argument rather than this crap. if you feel like furthering this, take it to the philosophy forum. i have no desire to continue this here, what with all the extraneous stupidity.
 
Why don't you go to talkorigins.org which is a great reservoir of articles and then see whether or not they can answer any of your doubts? I'm not saying they can answer everything but they can certainly show you the BS of what most claim as problems with evolution. Or keep that closed mind.
 
its egotistical asinine posts like this one that have caused me to avoid this thread. i prefer civilized discussion and argument rather than this crap. if you feel like furthering this, take it to the philosophy forum. i have no desire to continue this here, what with all the extraneous stupidity.

I gave you some civilized discussion and argument. You blinded yourself to it and called everything I put forth as BS, without actually showing me any real evidence or logical arguments. So what if I wrote a post where I said Dawkins shits on creationists? He figurativly does.
 
Several more arguments for creationists to chew on.

1) Creationists always talk about how "nothing as complex as an eye could evolve in stages, since a half-eye is no good at all." Darwin himself effectively destroyed this argument by merely observing that there are creatures alive today with eyes in all "stages of development," from a few light-sensitive cells, to a cup-shaped receptor with no proper lens, to eagle eyes far sharper than ours. Other creatures seem to get along fine with half-eyes and even 1/100 eyes.

Then for the final insult, human (the pinnacle of creation) eyes are clearly an engineering mistake! The retinas are inside out. The nerves and blood vessels come out through the light-sensitive area of the retina, producing a blind spot, then spread over the front of the light-receptor cells, so that light has to get past the fibers into the receptors. Why aren't the nerves and capillaries behind the receptors, where they would be out of the way and there would be no need for a blind spot? Squid eyes are arranged just that way. Since ours aren't, one is reminded of the maxim that evolution has to work with the materials at hand, adapting systems already in place, with results that often seem jury-rigged or needlessly complicated. Would an Ultimate Engineer make such an obvious blunder, especially having got it right in creatures created earlier?

2) So the universe comes from randomness, and order only comes as a result of a conscious intent? When sand trickles down into a pile, the pile is conical. Now a cone is an ordered shape. Does God, therefore, organize each collision of one grain against another so as to fulfill his purpose that the pile be conical? Is there some reason why He goes to all that trouble? It's a mystery, no doubt. Or maybe, just maybe, dissipative systems like this can exhibit spontaneous order-forming behavior. Other dissipative systems include crystal growth, snowflake formation and--horrors--organic life itself.

3)...with such birth anomalies as being born with a tail, or covered with fur. Tails (abnormally extended coccyges ) are more common than most people realize, since they are, of course, surgically removed immediately, and often the child himself is never told. For furry people, refer to the famous Mexican family, several of whom are circus performers.

These would, of course, be some of the "throwbacks" which creationists assert must, of course, occur if evolution is real. But since evolution is, of course, not true, the good creationist, upon being presented the very evidence he demanded, will, of course, not be fazed in the slightest.

Of course.

A small footnote: back in the good old days, when everyone was a literal-creationist, and religion was science (known as the Dark Ages, with good cause), such babies were identified as the spawn of Satan, and killed instantly, along with their mothers, who were, naturally, witches.

4)What about the hair on the back of our necks which stands up at the very thought that their children might actually be exposed to an evil-lutionist at school. When they stop to think why the hair on the backs of their necks should stand up, at that or any terrifying situation, the only explanation that makes sense is that it's a vestigial reaction inherited from our mammal ancestors. Other mammals' hair rises in response to "hair-raising experiences" as a defense. It's a warning sign of aggression, and may make the animal look bigger and fiercer. We've apparently given up that signal, maybe in favor of words or other body language. About the only trace left is that creepy feeling about nape of the neck and scalp, which is almost impossible for others to see.

Also, goosebumps were useful in fluffing up our fur to make us warmer.

There are so many more and so much evidence it is incredible.

These were taken from here
 
Jesus never existed

if he did (probably did - but he isn't the son of god or whatever), he would have been dark skinned. Mediteranian. I lol whenever i see a picture of jesus being white and blonde haired.
 
Pseud0 said:
if he did (probably did - but he isn't the son of god or whatever), he would have been dark skinned. Mediteranian. I lol whenever i see a picture of jesus being white and blonde haired.

Whenever I see the blonde-haired blue-eyed Jesus I always think of the comment, "Man created God in his image", referring to the WASPs and Catholics who created these images.
 
Botfly wrote
Wow, and that talk origins website really clarified alot of misconceptions I had. Seriously, check this out. Cheers

Now thats what I like to see. Someone actually going at it with an open mind.

Try this book Finding Darwin's God by Kenneth Miller. The first part basically cuts through creationist lies and distortion, but the second part, though I consider it really silly, argues for the existence of God because of quantum indeterminancy. I think its crap but its an actual argument, not just pathetic handwringing while saying "But these are my beliefs. How dare you try to enlighten me with your factual propaganda."

Also anything by Dawkins is usually gold. He's a virulent atheist, but if you can get past that he is good at mainstreaming science. Try these three: Blind Watchmaker, The Selfish Gene, and Extended Phenotype. I'm sure a library should have at least one. Maybe.
 
Maybe I am an ass. Maybe I am. Thats for The Lord to decide. I generally try to be a nice guy actually. But it fails sometimes.
 
We are energy...energy does not go away, it transforms to something else. What? I don't know
 
drowssap said:
We are energy...energy does not go away, it transforms to something else. What? I don't know

Manure.

But I still believe there's more to it than "You die and you dissapear". I don't believe the afterlife crap most religiouns try to pass on, but I guess some form of reincarnation could make sense.