ever try throwing a de-esser on the guitars with the vocal tracks as the key input? this way the guitars can be nice and raunchy when needed, then the trashy frequencies get ducked when the vocals come in...
Does anyone like 2.5k-4khz in guitars?
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ever try throwing a de-esser on the guitars with the vocal tracks as the key input? this way the guitars can be nice and raunchy when needed, then the trashy frequencies get ducked when the vocals come in...
No.. I'll give it a try if Spitfish can do key inputs. It only goes down to 4khz though..
Skinny Viking
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I'll make a small cut in that area sometimes if I have a lot of vocals going on and the vox seem a little lifeless. By pulling just a little bit out it gives the vocals more "teeth" without sacrificing too much edge from the guitars
Ermz
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Usually pretty surgical on that whole high mid range.
The best sounding metal/rock records ever made are almost always defined by darker or 'smoother' guitars. High-gain rhythms simply want to eat into all the midrange frequency by nature, so the only way to effectively tame them for the benefit of the arrangement as a whole is to go easy on the high mids, totally can all the super-highs and as such let the vocals, cymbals, drum attacks and ambiance through unobstructed.
The more I do this the more I hate real tube amp rigs and the more I'm tempted over to... simpler solutions.
The best sounding metal/rock records ever made are almost always defined by darker or 'smoother' guitars. High-gain rhythms simply want to eat into all the midrange frequency by nature, so the only way to effectively tame them for the benefit of the arrangement as a whole is to go easy on the high mids, totally can all the super-highs and as such let the vocals, cymbals, drum attacks and ambiance through unobstructed.
The more I do this the more I hate real tube amp rigs and the more I'm tempted over to... simpler solutions.
Pedro Teixeira
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It really depends on the tone first... but I usually hate 1k-2khz on guitars, I think it just sounds like shit and masks everything, I usually cut a bit of that but on the other hand boost a little bit of 3-5khz , this assuming if I dont have to surgically cut a thousand frequencies due to awful tone to begin with ..
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is that means "cut with high Q?"
back to topic.. i prefer automation than sidechain, because sidechain little bit complicated in cubase
Yeh I think you've hit the nail on the head there. Whatever's needed. If the vocal is struggling with the guitar then I tend to cut a litte 1k and a little 3k. There's usually some funny spikes on heavier guitars around the 2k area but I won't always cut it just on principal. If it works in the mix then fine.
BassTard
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That's a great tip, thanks!
BTW: Even using a de-esser (without sidechaining) prior to boosting will smooth your guitars. Andrew Scheps is using this technique... or at least I've been told so by this commercial:
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At the beginning I had many problems with my dist. guitars in those frequencies, then I got improvements thanks to practise and experience. It's important to understand the listening system, your room, mic position and so on...
If the tracks are not recorded by you, in plug in world, try SSL eq and boost simply the highs a little bit, I had good results.
If the tracks are not recorded by you, in plug in world, try SSL eq and boost simply the highs a little bit, I had good results.
i often dip out somewhere between 3-5k. If you do it right, you can get rid of the constant "shhhhh" sound but maintain the clarity and edge. As long as you didn't use too much gain on the amp.
Pedro Teixeira
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I don't know. This really sounds more like a micing and gear issue. If I get it sounding good to my ears coming out of the V30's, I usually don't need much EQ anywhere, if any at all. Just mic it with a 57 (I use the old-school amp hiss through the cans method) and put some multi-band comp in the 60-300hz range once it's tracked. Good to go.
The only times I ever remember having to cut in that range or higher has been when I wasn't there during guitar tracking and the just "slapped" a mic on whichever cab and ran with it.
The only times I ever remember having to cut in that range or higher has been when I wasn't there during guitar tracking and the just "slapped" a mic on whichever cab and ran with it.
true, you shouldn't be doing much eq at all on guitar. I hate eq'ing guitar. But I've come to accept that spike as just part of my gear / chain/ room / whatever. You'd be hard pressed not to cut that range if you're using a tubescreamer, 5150 and V30's miked with a 57. There's always a compromise.
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Think I might try a small shelf from 3.5 to 4 as I always find my guitars are stomping on things
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RedDog
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I'm into meticulous use of NCL EQ. It's free, and it's DAMN powerful. Ten bands of parametric eq, A/B capable, built in hotkey functions. I highly recommend it for everything you ever needed a parametric eq for.
and hey, +1 to the de-esser on the guitars. There's one built-into iZotope's Alloy, I'll definitely try that one out the next mix.
amarshism
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Q10 here for the surgical cuts here. Although I've never compared to any others for cutting so I can't really offer any comparative analysis.
RedDog
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No Mac OSX version... really?
Well, I did not see that. It's VST format, I bet you could find a way around that.
