Does being brutal make a band good?

[Teh Grimace]

you get 10 "grimace thinks you're cool" points for mentioning Jane Doe.

good job. keep it up.

 

[T.E.A.]

you get 10 "grimace thinks you're cool" points for mentioning Jane Doe.

good job. keep it up.

Cheers dude.

(P.S: I put a link in that Encephalophagic Horse Monkey thread, which has now been moved to self promotion [?] Is it brutal? Creative? Wierd? Just a bunch of noise? I can't decide. Should get some chins wagging on all sides I reckon )

 

[cookiecutter]

Very heavy, 'brutal' bands can be among the most powerfully emotive musicians out there, and many put a great deal of thought and textural subtlety into their work (listen to 'Jane Doe' by converge, for example). There is as much innovation and creativity at the heavier end of the metal spectrum as anywhere else in metal, because bands who really mean what they say are forever looking for new ways to say it.

I agree. The song Deciet off Suffocation's Souls to Deny is this way for me.

 

[Sinister Mephisto]

Does being brutal make a band good?

omfgbr00tl YES r00lz!

 

[Susperia]

^Tagtgren looks way too Johnny-Depp like in that picture.

 

[~Neurotica]

On the avatar?... hmmmm yea, he does

 

[SheisMySin]

Trey from Morbid Angel is one of the better guitarists in death metal, he is a great unique and innovative guitarist. If you disagree you probably can't play a guitar well.

Nope, I do not play any instruments. I guess that means I don't know what is good or not!

Scott

 

[Sinister Mephisto]

^Tagtgren looks way too Johnny-Depp like in that picture.

He's been looking a lot like Johnny Depp lately. Especially in the profile in the Virus booklet. For about a month before I learned how to pronounce Tagtgren I referred to him as "Evil Depp".

 

[cookiecutter]

Live he looks like Christopher Walken.

 

[Zephyrus]

Live he looks like Christopher Walken.

not so much when he's got the "catfish" goatee going.

 

[Ender Rises]

Nope, I do not play any instruments. I guess that means I don't know what is good or not!

Scott

A) Not nesecarily but playing an instrument does help
B) Quit signing your posts, please, thanks.
C) Way to stick up for Slipknot. I personally don't like them but it's awesome that you stick to your guns. Props, yo

 

[Alongside Death]

Anyone likes to cut himself here?:zombie:

 

[anonymouswierdo]

The reason why people don't like Slipknot is that they play watered down, semi-agressive, simple songs, and are hailed by all the world as the gods of modern metal. There singer can't sing very well, they have like 6 useless band members, and the guitars are far simpler than anything on a death metal album. Even if many death metal songs are samey sounding it's still better than what Slipknot has produced.

You get a prize for actually explaining properly. That sort of post, people who don't actually know much about metal/music, is far more helpful than fifty ones just saying ___ suck/are gay/whatever.



I suppose we could compare brutality to complexity or simplicity, both have their places, both can be good, but both can be done badly and don't, on their own, mean the music is good.

There is also the factor of moods. Sometimes people feel like just having their ears beaten to a bloody pulp, other times they may feel like listening to Come Into The Garden Maud.

Brutality alone doesn't make music bad or good, it just needs to be used correctly.

 

[cookiecutter]

You get a prize for actually explaining properly. That sort of post, people who don't actually know much about metal/music, is far more helpful than fifty ones just saying ___ suck/are gay/whatever.



I suppose we could compare brutality to complexity or simplicity, both have their places, both can be good, but both can be done badly and don't, on their own, mean the music is good.

There is also the factor of moods. Sometimes people feel like just having their ears beaten to a bloody pulp, other times they may feel like listening to Come Into The Garden Maud.

Brutality alone doesn't make music bad or good, it just needs to be used correctly.

Cool, what is my prize?

I agree with your post. For example, some Slayer songs utilize some very simple riffs, but they are very well played (Raining Blood, Angel of Death). Complexity can also come off as boring.

 

[Nico]

Complexity can also come off as boring.

Case in point - Necrophagist.

 

[Ender Rises]

Cool, what is my prize?

I agree with your post. For example, some Slayer songs utilize some very simple riffs, but they are very well played (Raining Blood, Angel of Death). Complexity can also come off as boring.

Excellent point. And, I love those songs.

 

[Demilich]

Case in point - Necrophagist.

finally somebody agrees with me. even songwriting ability - for a song can be thoroughly composed using any theoretical structure you like and still sound bad - doesn't guarantee the creation of "good music." To me, good music could be anything, created by anyone in any way, if it sounds good.

 

[skeptik]

Actually, I think most people here agree that Necrophagist is boring. I sure as hell do.

 

[Carcassian]

finally somebody agrees with me. even songwriting ability - for a song can be thoroughly composed using any theoretical structure you like and still sound bad - doesn't guarantee the creation of "good music." To me, good music could be anything, created by anyone in any way, if it sounds good.

I said the self same thing some time ago, in a simplicity vs technicality type discussion. I don't mind Necrophagist, but to be honest, I'd much rather listen to the four riffs a song stylings of Pentagram. Why? Better written, catchy songs that sound better

 

[SheisMySin]

That's pretty much what I was thinking about Slipknot.

Since when do simple guitar riffs mean a song sucks? I mean damn...some of the best metal songs ever are one riff songs. "American Way" by Sacred Reich...."Walk" Pantera...etc etc. My metal taste is all over the board, but there is always a time and place for catchy simple songs.

Also, on their first albumn, the drums sound pretty complicated to me (at least if one drummer were to be playing them). So when it comes to one instrument, you guys think complexity is better...but on another, it's not.

Weird.

Scott